ECB v Angel from Hell

[Huitzil]

If I had a log of Gary getting pinned to the wall, I lost it. Please repost.

Yeah, Gary is a cunt with no redeeming qualities. He's opinionated, obnoxious, acts as if he is the Arbiter of All Contintuity, and this is most important: HE CANNOT REALIZE HE IS NOT FUNNY.

Though I think if people did things like this more often, it might deflate his ego somewhat, or at least force him to become so delusional that even his fanboys laugh athim. Right now, as mod of FFML and FFIRC with people too polite or thinking that it's "not worth the effort" (which is fucking bullshit, you're sitting on fucking IRC anyway) to call him out on being a fucktard, he doesn't have a lot of reason to question his view that he's the greatest.

[Dracos]

You are less brutal than I am Uns.  I have no vested interested in those areas, therefore my opinion continues to be...abandon them, and let them die miserable deaths of abandonment.

*shrugs*

Dracos

[Ginrai]

If I had a log of Gary getting pinned to the wall, I lost it. Please repost.

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<DB> lo all
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<Huitzil> 4KOMEDY KLEPPE
<PrettyJoshie> heh
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<Regisbot> [DannyCat|sleep] "Hey, that says, 'Here comes Lupin the 3rd' in
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<Huitzil> I like how Gary says taht Dracos shouldn't be reaading a fic "this close
 to original flavor", and ignores everything he points out about how it's nowhere
 near canon.
<Huitzil> Like the cops and the health inspectors, where he just picked at an
 arguable grammar point instead of addressing the idea
<PrettyJoshie> I think they both went a bit too over the top
<PrettyJoshie> I wonder if Gary'll say anything when he comes later (I assume he
 will since it's both Sunday and a 1hour challenge day)
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<Huitzil> He'll be typically evasive and claim Drac is the only one who didn't like
 Tenshi, and everyone here will be too fucking chicen to speak up and say "uh,
 nobody liked it, it was an unfunny hackneyed uneven character-bashing heap of ass
 and poo"
<Nidoking> Or maybe everyone but you likes it.
<Huitzil> Maybe you should shut the fuck up because I'n not even the one who wrote
 the ECB, dickhinge.
<Ebiris> Consensus seems to be that no one liked it. Anyone who did like it is
 staying just as silent.
<Nidoking> Well, as far as I can tell, you did misquote Gary rather blatantly in
 your response to it.
<Nidoking> It's been too long since I read it, so I don't even remember what my
 opinion of it was.
<Huitzil> you fucking idiot
<Nidoking> Now, was that called for?
<Huitzil> I "misquoted" him on PURPOSE, because I am MOCKING HIM!
<Nidoking> Yes, and that sounds pretty blatant to me.
<Huitzil> Ebiris, hit him.
<Nidoking> So what part of what I said is incorrect?
<Huitzil> "blatantly misquoting" implies a failed attempt at deception. Nobody
 thinks he actually said those words, I am mocking him by condensing his argument.
<Nidoking> Nope. Almost exactly the opposite, in fact.
<Nidoking> "Blatant" means you were obviously doing it.
<Nidoking> Which is certainly the case.
<Huitzil> Well then if you didn't believe I was attempting to deceive anyone why
 did you fucking bring it up?
<Nidoking> Even so, the manner in which you presented your "argument" is rather
 targeted and probably inappropriate.
<Nidoking> But we'll let the FFML mods decide on that issue.
<Ebiris> Uns, while I might cheerfully mock someone, I am not a man of violence.
 Besides, hitting someone over the internet doesn't work... unless I was an op,
 then I could at least kick people...
<Huitzil> I thought you had that Punching Vortex thing
<Nidoking> For that very reason, I'm not going to get involved on the FFML.
<Nidoking> I'm just going to go clean up my old apartment, watch Johnny English,
 and be back in time for the Hour Challenge.
<Nidoking> I'm just waiting to see whether anyone thinks your post was
 tempban-worthy, since Gary's probably not going to do it himself.
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<PrettyJoshie> It was harsh C&C, but it was C&C nonetheless
<PrettyJoshie> It certainly doesn't seem against ML rules to me
<PrettyJoshie> And Gary's the main mod, isn't he?
<Nidoking> Not C&C of the fic, though. If anything it was C&C of Gary himself.
<Nidoking> He is, but he'll probably try to avoid taking disciplinary action on a
 thread that he's involved in.
<Nidoking> Might seem like an abuse of power.
<PrettyJoshie> maybe
<Nidoking> You there, DB? Any thoughts on the issue?
<Huitzil> by "try to avoid" you mean "try to get an excuse not to avoid"
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<Nidoking> Huit: Perhaps... planning to give him one?
<Huitzil> ...just shut up.
<Nidoking> I'll give myself a point and do just that, thank you.
<Nidoking> So, anyone here participating in the hour challenge tonight?
<Warhammer> I think I'll be able to... it's just a matter of timing.
<Nidoking> I'm torn between a number of possible stories, and I honestly can't
 choose which one to work on.
<Warhammer> Speaking of which, when we write something that has material from
 before the challenge, do we submit that too?
<Nidoking> You can. It depends on the form of the story and your preference.
<Warhammer> Form of the story?
<Nidoking> I like to summarize the important parts of the previous chapters at the
 beginning, then present any pre-written material for the chapter I'm working on,
 followed by an IN SUMMARY tag and a summary of that part of the chapter.
<Warhammer> Ah
<Nidoking> If you're working on a one-shot, include the previous material and a
 summary, but if the previous material is in chapters, just summarize them. That's
 my preference.
<Huitzil> when is the Hour Challenge, before or after Big O?
<Nidoking> So, I can choose between my three in-progress fics (ADC, GTP, and
 QEFEFZ), but they're all in the middle of chapters and wouldn't be very good for
 stand-alones.
<Nidoking> Before. Should even be done before Big O starts.
<Nidoking> Then there's the Omake for 52 Curses that I should really get around to
 writing, the sequel, A Blessing and a Curse, or a completely original story
 inspired by Tenshi ni Narumon.
<Warhammer> Neat, got a couple of things I can work on as well.
<Nidoking> Any of those would work as well, but I don't know which one I want to
 write.
<Nidoking> So if anyone has a preference, speak up.
<Nidoking> I'll have to miss the Round Table again... anyone want to fill in for me?
<Warhammer> Well, I'm torn between writing the Soul Calibur fic I was talking with
 you about, Nido, and a Fruits Basket idea that hit me after seeing an AMV of the
 finale to Dead Can Dance.
<Nidoking> Hmmm... I haven't had time to watch the last DVD of Furuba yet.
<Warhammer> Well, what's the last thing you recall?
<Nidoking> The last thing *I* recall? ... That main Sohma guy, Akito or whatever
 his name is, wasn't the Dragon as I expected.
<Warhammer> Ah.
<Nidoking> Um... and Hanako is creepy.
<Nidoking> Er... I can't remember names. There are too many of them.
<Warhammer> Hanako... it's been a while...
<Nidoking> The creepy one.
<Huitzil> yeah, I will probably drunk by the time of the RT
<Warhammer> Oh, one of Tohru's friends?
<Nidoking> With the little brother who's almost as creepy.
<Nidoking> Yep.
<Nidoking> The Aura of Doom (TM).
<Huitzil> I wrote more of protectorate and will be continuing it at the HC, God
 willing
<Warhammer> Oh!  Her brother's name is Megumi.
<Huitzil> people are getting shot at now
<Nidoking> People getting shot at is always fun.
<Warhammer> Just a side note:  The bunny boy bugs me...
<Nidoking> I think that's the intention.
<Nidoking> Just don't watch Tenshi ni Narumon, then... he's the main character,
 albeit disguised as a girl named Noelle.
<Warhammer> Swell....
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<Nidoking> But it's a fun series, and it'll mess with your head about as much as,
 say, Evangelion, but you'll enjoy it.
<Warhammer> I dunno... with all that I got going on, my sanity has actually been
 neccesary.
<Warhammer> But if I ever get the chance, I'll give it a shot.
<Nidoking> The first DVD is out, but hard to find. The second one is reportedly
 coming out sometime not long after summer 2002.
<Warhammer> 02?
<Nidoking> They're really stretching the definition of "not long after".
<Nidoking> But I have seen advertisements for it in some recent DVDs.
<Nidoking> It's called "I'm Gonna Be an Angel" on the shelves. Reverse the cover
 for the Japanese title.
<Nidoking> Anyway, I've gotta go if I want to get any cleaning done before the
 movie starts.
<Warhammer> No need to translate, friend, I got a decent handle on the language.
<Warhammer> Ok, see ya later.
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<Regisbot> [Gary] A-loooo-HA, keiki! Da big kahuna's BACK!
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<Gary> Hey, all.
<Warhammer> Hey, Gary
<Nidoking> Or maybe I'll hang around a bit...
<Nidoking> This could be interesting.
<Nidoking> ...
<Nidoking> Oh well. I'll find out later. Mind doing me a quick favor, Gary?
<Gary> What?
<Nidoking> I can't stay for the Round Table, but all I've got to say is that I
 spent all week working on an MST which I posted yesterday.
<Nidoking> Could you spread the word for me?
<Gary> Sure, no problem.
<Nidoking> Thanks.
<Nidoking> Later, everyone.
<Warhammer> Later Nido
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<Brian> Yo.
<Gary> Hello.
<Brian> How you doing?
<Gary> Fine, thanks. You?
<Brian> A little tired.
<Brian> But, otherwise fine.
<Brian> I went to your website recently -- never knew you were into HERO/Champions
 stuff.
<Brian> I like the idea for charge/time limitations and advantages.
<Gary> I used to be, yeah. Had a group when I lived in Alamaba.
<Gary> Thanks.
<Brian> Hard to find a good group these days.
<Gary> I haven't been following the game recently. I think the company changed
 ownership.
<Gary> Yeah, and I don't really have time for it anymore either, unfortunately.
<Brian> That, I know the feeling of far too well.
<Brian> And now it seems that latency, my old foe, is attacking my connection.
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<Gary> Hello.
<Ladegard> Afternoon
<Brian> Was Tenshi really posted almost a year and a half ago? It seems so much
 more recent -- like eight months or so....
<Gary> No, it really was that long ago. Embarrassing that I haven't done much in
 that time.
<Gary> March 2002, it came out.
<Brian> Wow.
<Brian> My memory is kind of spotty, lately.
<Brian> Anyway, you had mentioned in your e-mail about that ECB that no one had
 complained about/had problems with Ukyou hiring Tenshi. Didn't Ginrai mention
 something about that, though?
<Brian> After one of the one-hours?
<Gary> Not that I remember. Of course, my memory is also spotty.
<Gary> IIRC, the only one that Gin was in with this fic was a much later section of
 it.
<Brian> That old-age thing -- seems to be creeping up on all of us at once.
<Gary> Yep, unfortunately.
<Brian> It's like a conspiracy based on our respective dates of birth.
<Gary> Yeah, we should look into this.
<Gary> Definite age discrimination.
<Warhammer> Father Time's gunning for us...
<Brian> Reality is discriminatory. Heh. Well, if I had a point to make, I've lost
 it. Which is pretty normal, for me.
<Brian> How 'bout those Raiders, huh?
<Gary> S'okay, we don't get a lot of points around here. :)
<Brian> Well, I better run off before I make a bigger fool of myself.
<Gary> Catch ya later, then.
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<Warhammer> I'll try to come back in time for the hour challenge, later all.
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<Gary> Later, WH
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<Huitzil> Why is it that when you change a quote to openly mock someone, people
 around here get in such a hissy fit about "OMG he didn'y rly say that! LIAR!"
<Gary> Well, here's what I wrote to the admins:
<Huitzil> I know
<Gary> As you'll see below, and if you read the previous posts in this thread,
<Gary> this gentleman has attributed text to me which I did not write, and the
<Gary> content of which may or may not constitute a flame against me. Please
<Gary> decide whether this is grounds for any actions by the list admins, and
<Gary> take any such action that you deem appropriate. Thank you.
<Huitzil> you forwarded it to me
<Gary> I know YOU know, but nobody else does.
<Huitzil> I was summarizing your arguments in what I thought was a humorous manner.
 Where or not it is funny id ebatable, but it's no cause to get your panties in a
 twist about "attributing text to me I did not write".
<Gary> Tell the other admins. They're going to make the decision on it.
<Huitzil> You're the one whose panties engaged in twisting
<Gary> In the meantime, shut up about it, as I don't think anyone on this channel
 is interested in hearing it.
<Huitzil> Nobody is interested in hearing about how ukyou wears a flea and tick
 collar either, that never stops you.
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<Huitzil> Oh that's real mature ace, "he doesn't think my jokes are funny so I KICK
 HEEM"
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<Ebiris> Oh for god's sake...
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<Anastasia> Wasn't that a bit much? That shows terribly thin skin, you know.
<Gary> He's been trolling the channel for lack of God knows how long.
<Gary> I've put up with him all I'm going to. If you think it was inapporpriate,
 appeal to Todd or TJ.
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<Gary> Hiya, Meg.
<Megane67> Hey Gary, hey guys
<Anastasia> I'm just curious...Are you going to answer anything or defer all the
 time to 'wait for this, or appeal to him?' I'm just curious, because if that's
 the way you have to operate...*shrugs*
<Gary> I thought I just did answer you.
<Gary> Normally I wouldn't kick that quickly, no.
<Gary> He has a long history of trolling the channel.
<Anastasia> You made a vague claim and deferred it to someone else.
<Anastasia> As you did with his comment beforehand. That's two times in five
 minutes.
<Gary> I'm saying that in my judgement, it was deserved. Obviously you don't agree,
 so the only recourse is to appeal to someone else.
<Anastasia> Why not defend your judgement, then, instead of passing it off to
 someone else?
<Anastasia> You claim and pass off, but I don't see anything else.
<Megane67> If someone's being disruptive in the chatroom, Gary has the right and
 obligation to do what's nessicary.
<Megane67> Reguardless of whether we agree with him on the decision or not, it's
 his call to make.
<Anastasia> Can Gary speak for himself? I'd like to hear him, as well meaning as
 you may be.
<Gary> I have spoken for myself.
<Anastasia> No, you haven't.
<Anastasia> Unless passing things off works for speaking for yourself here.
<Gary> Uns has been a chronic troll since he joined this channel. Therefore I'm on
 a short fuse with him. Which part of that needs explanation?
<Anastasia> All of it would be swell. 'Cause, you know, I'm wondering if you're
 going to back up that claim.
<Gary> How long have you been coming to this channel?
<Anastasia> Not long.
<Gary> If you had, I think you'd know.
<Anastasia> So, are you going to provide examples instead of just saying 'I think
 you'd know?' That really isn't any different than what you've been doing. *shakes
 head*
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<Blader> Hello.
<Blader> Is anyone here?
<Megane67> Hey Blade
<Gary> No, I'm not. No offense, but you aren't one of the people whom I'm required
 to answer to.
<Blader> Heya.
<Gary> Hiya, B.
<Megane67> Well, we're not just anyone, you know.  ;P
<Blader> ...?
<Anastasia> Then you're admitting you won't step up?
<Gary> What does that mean?
<Blader> I don't get what you're saying?
<Megane67> Blader: He's not talking to you.  
<Blader> You've lost me somewhere in the conversation... OH.
<Anastasia> That you won't prove it. Hide it behind 'I'm not require to' or
 whatever, but it's the same thing.
<Gary> Ana: I'll prove it if asked to by someone in channel management.
<DB> back
<Blader> Uh, I think this is a fight that can and should be avoided?
<Anastasia> ...Bravo. That's the best case of ducking the issue I've ever seen. Is
 it that hard to answer, or can you even answer?
<Anastasia> I've gone from sublte to blunt in asking you, and nothing. Will you, or
 can  you?
<Gary> Ana: No, and yes.
<Blader> Anasasia?  Uh, it's not that big of a deal...
<Gary> Yes, please drop it.
<Gary> As I said, you can take it up with my superiors.
<Anastasia> Wow. You, man, are a coward. Pure and simple, since you cannot answer
 for yourself. Bravo, middle manager. Bravo, yes man.
<Blader> Gary, please be a little more polite about it.  You may be an op, by I
 think you should be a little more polite.
<Gary> Blad: What did I say that was impolite?
<Prince_Herb[d2e]> To be honest, I don't think Unseen is a troll
<Gary> I disagree.
<Prince_Herb[d2e]> He certainly has issues with Gary, though
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<Blader> The part about taking it up with your superiors, for one.  I think that is
 a rude thing to say to another person.
<Gary> It is?
<Blader> I believe so.
<Blader> True, but a little too frank.
<Prince_Herb> Time for me to peel some potatoes
<Gary> I don't understand why you think so.
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<Blader> It was frankly disrespectful.
<Gary> How do you think I should've phrased it?
<Blader> Please stop the conversation.  If you won't, I'll have to report you to my
 superiors.
<Gary> No, that wasn't what I meant.
<Gary> I meant that since he seems to have a problem with me, he should report what
 he sees as my abuse of power to them.
<Blader> Ah, then I've messed up.  I apoligize.
<Gary> No problem, I may have been unclear.
<Blader> On another topic, does anyone here like to beyblade?
<Gary> No idea what that is.
<Blader> ...?
<DB> gary: Hey. Got to disagree with you about Tenchi being original flavor. it's
 nothing of the kind.
<Gary> Tenshi, you mean. :)
<DB> err, tenshi
<Blader> Yeah, isn't tenchi some anime's name?
<Gary> Um, okay, I think it is in some ways, but decidedly not in others.
<Blader> What is tenshi?
<DB> It's at best a parody, given the way you keep coming back to Zen's stuff with
 TBE and LaWR
<DB> but it's not over the top enough for that.
<Gary> Blad: A fic I wrote about a year and a half ago.
<Blader> Oh.
<DB> And I'm still trying to figure out why Tenshi gets away scot free while Ukyou
 is the one punished for his horrible schemes backfiring
<Blader> Ah, my best original fic is only 5000 words.  I'm not that good.
<Gary> http://www.garykleppe.org/fanfic/tenshi.txt
<Gary> DB: Well, nobody said the Ranmaverse was fair.
<DB> I mean arrested? And her business failing in Konatsu's hands?
<DB> Where in Ranma 1/2 was any character punished for their misbhevior or schemes?
<Blader> Ah, I don;t know much about Ranma 1/2
<DB> other than the plan failing? Herb? Cured
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<DB> Saffron? Alive and his people don't need  him to heat the place anymore?
<Gary> D: She'd have been released straightaway. I may indicate that in the
 revision.
<DB> Waterproof soap? Didn't work
<DB> The worst you get is like Happi being pummeled after the Moxibustion arc. And
 pummeling isn't the same thing as being hauled off and having your living ruined
<Gary> I agree being locked up for an extended time would be too harsh.
<Blader> Uh... You've lost me somewhere in this conversation.
<Gary> You haven't read the fic. :)
<DB> blader: This is fanfic. We are talking about fanfic. It doesn't happen often.
<Gary> Back in a sec. Must attend to laundry.
<Blader> Yeah, because I don't know much about Ranma.  It wouldn't make sense to me.
<DB> I'll probably be gone to go back painting, which was why I didn't speak sooner
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<Gary> Back.
<Gary> Hello, Mid.
<Midnight> yo
<DB> and Tenshi is coming off as an ANC. Somehow, despite his schemes failing
 (well, they are doomed before they begin) he somehow eludes anything actually
 happening to him
<DB> and no, not being paid doesn't count. Being paid is a reward, not being paid
 is not punishment
<Gary> OK, point noted.
<Gary> I think it does count, but your mileage may vary.
<DB> mostly, his sole purpose of existance is to get others in trouble, while it
 never touching himself
<Gary> How is that different from, say, Nabiki?
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<DB> Nabiki is not a new character. If you want to use her, use her.
<DB> She does come across in an ANC way as well. I think someone mentioned she
 tried to blackmail Shampoo or something and got into trouble once, but that's
 about it
<Gary> I don't see how that matters. The character is either serving a helpful role
 in the story, or a detrimental one.
<DB> but Tenshi is all yours. Moreover, he's the one inititing things. I don't
 recall Nabiki asserting herself in soemething for no reason
<Gary> Oh, she does that plenty of times. In Secret Sauce, for example.
<Gary> Heck, the whole Nabiki is Ranma's Fiancee thing.
<DB> True, and Kasumi eventually takes her to task for it and tells her to knock it
 off.
<Gary> Right.
<DB> Tenshi, on the other hand, is just going in with one stupid scheme after
 another, all solely at Ukyou's expencse
<DB> expence
<Gary> True...
<DB> while being left alone. This doesn't seem wrong to you in some way?
<Gary> Depends on how you mean.
<Gary> For it to actually happen, yes, of course it's very wrong.
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<Gary> But why does a character in a story necessarily have to end up getting his
 just desserts?
<Gary> Hiya, P.
<DB> what I'm saying is, you created a character whose sole purpose is to get
 another character in trouble, rather than the character getting themselves in
 trouble
<Gary> Okay....
<PrettyJoshie> DB's got a point. The whole story seems pointless....
<DB> and punishing the character with the ANC
<PrettyJoshie> Unless it's, as Drac said, it's an Ukyo bashfic
<PrettyJoshie> -it's
<Gary> Of course not.
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<DB> you cited the Nabiki's engagement thing as a comparison. How did Ranma (or
 Akane) end up on the losing end of that?
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<DB> lo KO
<KaraOhki> hi
<Gary> DB: They didn't. But Nabby certainly didn't either.
<PrettyJoshie> If anything, Ranma and Akane got closer because of it
<DB> compared to what happend to Ukyou
<Gary> Howdy, Kara.
<Gary> D: As I said, I'm perfectly willing to add a scene that shows that she was
 released right away.
<PrettyJoshie> And Ukyo wasn't even in the story, beyond renting Ranma, which
 Shampoo and Kodachi also did
<DB> Tenshi isn't like the salesman who sells things to Gos. The salesman is a
 contrivance to initiate plot. Tenshi is actually focused on more than anyone in
 the fic.
* PrettyJoshie nods
<Gary> Okay....
<DB> so you can't treat him merely as a contrivance if you're going to focus on
 him.
<Gary> So what would you suggest?
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<DB> personally, make it more absurd and go for an outright parody; at least then
 the rules are lessened. But that would require a major overhaul
<DB> and this is an older fic, so I can see you not wanting to do it
<Gary> I don't mind doing it if I can come up with a way to make it better.
<DB> on the other hand, cut all the zenish reference, cut that whole rant in the
 yard that was supposed to be Ranma and Akane dialogue after the play
<DB> which REALLY comes off as a rant on TBE
<Gary> Huh? Which rant?
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<Gary> Oh, OK, I know which you mean.
<DB> Akane didn't turn around, "Just leave me alone. Okay?"
<DB> "Dammit, Akane... you're just lettin' that guy get to you. I mean,
<DB> yeah, okay, you hit people. So what? I mean, it don't make any
<DB> difference. Not really."
<DB> ECB: So, for a brilliant plot, you have Ukyo toss a little thing that
<DB> gives Ranma the chance to heroically forgive Akane?  And Ukyo
<DB> demonstrates the observation skills of a dead 2 year old?
<DB> "How do you know that?" she said, her voice cracking slightly.
<DB> "Well, because you may be violent, but you know your own limits. You
<DB> hit me, yeah, but never hard enough to actually do any serious damage,
<DB> and
<DB> yep. Read the words on their own. It's a speech, but a forced one
<Gary> I'll see what I can do with it.
<DB> tell me it doesn't sound like your using the characters as spokespeices (sp?)
<DB> I know I totally misspelled that. :P
<Gary> I see your point, yes.
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<DB> Which is why you rework the play somehow, you can cut it with something less
 rantish. Actually, nothing has really happened in the story that makes me feel
 any wedge is driven between R+A to make this necessary
<DB> it's touchy feely in a story that doesn't have anything to do with being
 touchy feelie
<DB> bah. Must return to painting. I'll still be around, though. Getting a download
<Gary> OK, seeya