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[Dracos]

Silly Jokes below.

What I expected:



What I got:


>_> I'm on the internet too much.

[Sierra]

I agree here that one of the weirder sides of this is Morwel directly interacting with and sponsoring someone who was so willing to use methods like that.

Unless it's not really Morwel he's been talking to.[/loony conspiracy theory mode]

(Gate is probably right though, he's just good enough at conning people to fool even her.)

Anyway, most of the major stuff's been said by this point: grappling = bad, derpage = epic, etcetera. I don't object to mind control in general terms. It's something greater powers regularly use to screw people over, the planes are harsh and bad shit like that happens to mere mortals, yada yada yada. It's more the quagmire of rules that it led us into this time that was the problem. Outside of climbing on Bel (who might not have cooperated anyway?) there was really no way Knight could have escaped anyway. Re: in-party conflict, I don't expect us to agree all the time. If it leads to interesting discussion, ultimately I don't mind that much. If it leads to ninety minutes of grappling and nonlethal whiffage, I do.

Mari is pretty much in the same mindset as Kam here. Someone she totally could've hung out with put himself squarely in the untrustworthy camp by immediately mindraping someone. The hypocrisy of forcing freedom on someone was apparently lost in the shuffle, so Mari will just have to bitch at him about the stupidity of that next time he gets on his high horse. Splitting up and heading to Morwel separately sounds like the smart thing to do, but I kinda doubt it's gonna happen since Knight's probably not going to want to let him out of her sight.

Wouldn't mind the chance to have some IC discussion about this before next Tuesday, but extra sessions are pretty much impossible to schedule and actually get everyone there.

[VySaika]

The hypocrisy of forcing freedom on someone

I've used this kind of argument against CG zealots in games before. It's a good one, but always seems to spur them to violence against me.

Also splitting up and getting there may not be an option. As Drac said, she kinda lives somewhere that you can't just walk to, and I presume if she is his patron she's given him some way to contact her/get back there himself. We may need him to get us there.

[Carthrat]

Hrn. My alternative to running was 'stand and fight!' there, honestly. We could've had a shouting match, which I think would've ended that way, too. Apologies for double standards on rules, though. I was kinda out of line.

gtg will post more when I get home.

[Dracos]

Oh yeah, I remembered what it was, mmm, maybe, maybe it was something else.

Anyhow, the others he's betraying is his family.  He's going to Baator.  Not to...say, meet up with the rest of his siblings and release them from their fates.  If he's well enough informed to know about knight, there's no reason he wouldn't be well enough informed to know of the sometimes dire straights his family is in.  Sure, he's fine but the rest of them are likely to die in terrible pain followed being blasted out of existence, directly caused by his decision to not rejoin the set.  He knows a way to make this not happen but he's not seeing that as important at all.  As long as he lives, everyone else in his family can die.

[Carthrat]

I don't think Rogue falls squarely in the HORRIBAD camp for his actions, questionable as though they may be. It was not the wisest or best decision, perhaps, but let's remember two things- he's not used to interacting in this world, and he had reason to suspect I was some ruthless tyrant who'd never stop pursuing him. Given that I find it forgivable that he'd try and ruin me instead of just flee. I mean, maybe he IS thinking about the other siblings. Maybe he thinks we'd all be better free! Then maybe he wants to stop me from getting to them, too. The fact that he turned up to talk at all would indicate that he is genuine on some level. If he was trying to manipulate us somehow, it seems odd for him to be so up-front about what he wants.

Basically, it seems he's being thoughtless, perhaps, but not truly malicious. And his argument has some good points that aren't entirely eroded by his earlier actions.

However, I don't like his argument and want to defeat it- better yet, I want to make him agree with me! This is more satisfying, methinks, that just beating him to a pulp and forcibly absorbing him, which has certain uncomfortable overtones. I think I have a good chance of doing this and have thought up several arguments I think are compelling- though it's nigh-impossible to come to an agreement under a hostile setting. Thus, I think going to Morwell and discussing it there is a good idea. She's the patron, sort of, of you guys- I don't think she'd be overly biased in either direction. Just my guess. I feel the result of such discussion will involve one side capitulating, or some temporary agreement being reached to postpone a binding decision.

All of that is moot if Rogue is actually just screwing with us! Maybe he'll teleport us to Baator. Maybe he's pulling the hood over Arborean powers- something I find as unlikely as me beating said powers in a duel. I don't think he hates us that much. I'd like to take that chance and see how it goes for now. So, I want us to go to Morwell- I don't really mind the means- and argue it out there. If he really does prove to be entirely selfish, and not just thoughtless as I suspect, I'll have no qualms about taking him by force at that point.

So now that I'm done talking about me and being all self-absorbed, I'd like to know what the rest of you actually want to do here. I'm open to other suggestions! Except 'do nothing', and whilst I could be persuaded, I don't really want to just sneak-attack-kill him; for one, he can probably escape and it'll be a real bitch to catch him- for two, it'd make me feel a bit bad IC, and for three, it seems to skip an interesting problem.

As an aside, I have a general feeling that I'm kinda becoming "That Guy" in this game. Didn't realise my alignment-related asides were that irritating, so I'll try and keep it relevant from now on.

[Sierra]

I'm open to other suggestions! Except 'do nothing', and whilst I could be persuaded, I don't really want to just sneak-attack-kill him; for one, he can probably escape and it'll be a real bitch to catch him-

This. If he can 'port out at will then taking him by force might not even be possible (barring ridiculous luck on our first strike). Talking things over at Morwel's works for me.

Haven't had any problems with Knight morality, but Mari isn't really judgemental about that sort of thing.

[Carthrat]

BTW, I haven't forgotten what I said about him before- that it's his nature to betray. I argued this fairly strenuously before, but two factors have led to me changing my mind.

First, there's the talks that was had a couple sessions back, where people (re: Yulia, the Knight-Captain) felt compelled to argue for his benefit. Can't say they didn't affect me a bit.

Second, I'll repeat how he conducted himself on returning to me; he's made it quite clear he opposed returning to the deck. It seems, well, honest. It's not really a lead-in to a further betrayal when, as was said, he can just run away.

[Dracos]

Hey Dune, to speed something along: If we ask him his patron's name, who would he respond with?  He's never referred to Morwel by name, but as the lady of the lake?

That's not a title I've heard her referred to.  She's the Queen of the Stars, Ruler of the Court of Stars.  She has nothing to do with lakes.

[Carthrat]

Huh. Good question! I think I was assigning 'morwel' as his patron's name because of what the general mentioned before, but that slipped me by.

[Anastasia]

You guys can make K:P checks here in reference to that. Post 'em if you care to.

[VySaika]

COulda sworn she wasn mentioned by name by someone...*checks*

Ah, Gracelyn said it was the Court of the Stars, and that surely Morwel or another powerful eladrin gave him what he sought. That's why I was thinking it was her.

[Sierra]

<Mari> roll 1d20+13 K:P, lady of the lakes, do I know who this is or do I think it's just a type of butter?
* Hatbot --> "Mari rolls 1d20+13 K:P, lady of the lakes, do I know who this is or do I think it's just a type of butter? and gets 18."12 [1d20=5]

I'm sure this will help us a lot, right guys?

[Anastasia]

Hey batter batter, hey batter batter SWING!

Oh, it's a swing and a miss! Mari waited too long and Hatbot rewarded her with a 5! Brutal! That's out number one in the bottom of the inning. Will the next batter make contact or strike out?

[Dracos]

dunefar: +6?
Oka.
Okay.


Philip: so I have little chance of beating Mari's 18 roll.


dunefar: > roll 1d20+6
* Hatbot --> "Xorned rolls 1d20+6 and gets 23." [1d20=17]
Post that?


Philip: hah