[Ranma 1/2 Crossover] Mirrors Multiplied

[KIJIN]

I've heard about J. Ornstead's Lawyer bro, who's supposedly an information(intellectual?) protection specialist. Does such a branch in the profession really exist? I touted it as simply one of his angry rants on DelphiForums, but now I'm not so sure...

Or maybe I'm just THAT gullible.

And, sure, Jeram. But there're  lot of big IFs in my quest for SaberScience... 8)

[Jason_Miao]

I've only heard about this mysterious "brother" when he stole someone's characters, and the character owner withdrew his permission for Ornstead to use them.  Back then, I said that while I had no training in law, I knew that lawyers who "randomly sued people for fun to extract settlements" as Ornstead alleged that his brother are quickly forced from the practice of law.

Here's some additional facts to chew on:
*There is no "Ornstead" in the Martindale-Hubble database.  Granted, one has to register with them, but if the supposed Ornstead Esquire exists and works for a superpowered lawfirm, why the hell wouldn't he be in there?  The couple of bucks it takes to register would be nothing.

*I can't remember which firm Ornstead claimed that his brother was part of.  I looked up that firm back then, and there was no person by the name of "Ornstead" in the listing of associates and partners.  Surprise, surprise.

I touted it as simply one of his angry rants on DelphiForums, but now I'm not so sure...

Have a link?  I wanna see.

Is he still ranting about this brother?  Next time he does, ask what his name is, which states he's licensed to practice in, and his attorney number for those states.  Then, let's go find out who this "brother" really is and give him a call.

I suspect we'll find that either he doesn't exist, or that at best he's a law clerk at a big firm.  Which would not impress me one bit.

[KIJIN]

Sorry, but I saw that page in Delphi several(not sure) years ago, when the ranma fanfic forum was still at its peak. His retaliatory statements were delivered with a certain vehemence, to a specific group of people (I believe Shade in particular). I'm certain you know most of the details already, since plagiarism was a rather controversial/popular topic at that time (I think i may have committed a more than a few unconscious plagiarisms myself). Reminds me of the time Jessica Linquist made her(HIS) counter-arguments... Now that was Entertainment.

Maybe I'm trying to be a pompous devil's advocate here, but perhaps Ornstead's only sin was that of ommission. Maybe he simply forgot to acknowledge Shade's characters on his disclaimers, and thus was mistaken for having attempted to take the characters as his own creation. But I did recall that the corresponding overtures to Mr. Orsntead was fairly amiable. Perhaps his temper got the best of him, and so we had the infamous 'Bro's a Big, Bad Corporate Bloodsucker' threat. Then things went downhill from there...

Don't just take my word for it. I was just a dispassionate bystander during that time. In deference to those who actually took part in the deliberations, I'm sure the Mods and the Vets in the Forum may have a more reliable account of that Debacle.

BTW, I'm a irregular 2nd year Law Student. That sentence somehow stuck in my craw the wrong way. Sux being me and all.

[Jason_Miao]

Sorry, but I saw that page in Delphi several(not sure) years ago, when the ranma fanfic forum was still at its peak. His retaliatory statements were delivered with a certain vehemence, to a specific group of people (I believe Shade in particular).

Ah, so not recent.  

Reminds me of the time Jessica Linquist made her(HIS) counter-arguments... Now that was Entertainment.

JessiKai, you mean?

Maybe I'm trying to be a pompous devil's advocate here, but perhaps Ornstead's only sin was that of ommission.   Maybe he simply forgot to acknowledge Shade's characters on his disclaimers, and thus was mistaken for having attempted to take the characters as his own creation.

When the only terms of use for those characters was "give me my credit due", and Ornstead violated those terms and continued to unreasonably delay rectifying his breach...that's a fairly significant "only" sin, in my eyes.  I'm sure that Ornstead has another view.

BTW, I'm a irregular 2nd year Law Student.

Really?  Which law school do you attend?

[KIJIN]

Geh >_<. I'm from the Philippines, so it probrably won't make a diffrence >_<. Legal Ethics might seem like a polite fictional point, but I'd rather not become jaded this early in life.

JessiKai, you mean?

Ah, Kaiphantom. I wonder what happened to him? He was among the key figures of the infamous Flame Wars. It was really funny how he tried to masquerade as several people all at once. It was even more hilarious how he was caught red-handed at it. God must have a sense of humor.

[Edward]

Ah, Kaiphantom. I wonder what happened to him? He was among the key figures of the infamous Flame Wars. It was really funny how he tried to masquerade as several people all at once.

Especially after he accused other people of masquerading as several people.

It was even more hilarious how he was caught red-handed at it.

Yet that didn't stop him from continuing to post as Reapersan on Delphi.  Which ended up being a source of amusement in itself.

God must have a sense of humor.

That explains a great deal.

[RangerShade]

Sorry, but I saw that page in Delphi several(not sure) years ago, when the ranma fanfic forum was still at its peak. His retaliatory statements were delivered with a certain vehemence, to a specific group of people (I believe Shade in particular). I'm certain you know most of the details already, since plagiarism was a rather controversial/popular topic at that time (I think i may have committed a more than a few unconscious plagiarisms myself). Reminds me of the time Jessica Linquist made her(HIS) counter-arguments... Now that was Entertainment.

Maybe I'm trying to be a pompous devil's advocate here, but perhaps Ornstead's only sin was that of ommission. Maybe he simply forgot to acknowledge Shade's characters on his disclaimers, and thus was mistaken for having attempted to take the characters as his own creation. But I did recall that the corresponding overtures to Mr. Orsntead was fairly amiable. Perhaps his temper got the best of him, and so we had the infamous 'Bro's a Big, Bad Corporate Bloodsucker' threat. Then things went downhill from there...

Don't just take my word for it. I was just a dispassionate bystander during that time. In deference to those who actually took part in the deliberations, I'm sure the Mods and the Vets in the Forum may have a more reliable account of that Debacle.

BTW, I'm a irregular 2nd year Law Student. That sentence somehow stuck in my craw the wrong way. Sux being me and all.

Yes, that would be me. ^_^

Short version:

Skysaber requested permission to use my original characters in a scene.
I agreed, provided he properly credited them to me.

He released the fic about a year after he'd asked me, I only found out about it when Dracos gave me a heads up. To my surprise, while Skysaber had used the scene, there was no disclaimer for my creations.

I politely asked him to remedy this (to be what I believed at the time) mistake.

And then I waited. No response.

And waited. Still no response.

And finally fed up with waiting I sent another email informing him I was pulling my permission to use my characters in his work.

His not so polite excuse for not doing so didn't hold water when he finally replied and I called him on it. By this point I was rather annoyed, but hoping it would all settle down once he saw reason.

And things turned out, I had too high a standard for logic and reason.

Two threat emails were fired back to me at record speed, which prompltly ended that friendship on my side and sealed the battlelines between us.

Dracos and the others here took it from there. They had much fun hoisting him by the literary petard.

[KIJIN]

Uissu.

Did he(Ornstead) actually follow through on his threat? You know, Intellectual Property issues are a sort of gray area, especially Fanfiction. So I was wondering if what were the grounds on which he would sue you? But that wasn't the issue, wasn't it? His statutory contentions were rather vague, so I'm not sure if his aggressive approach to the problem would have held water at all. So I guess your eyebrows must have risen disbelief when he delivered in Ultimatum.

The one thing I've noticed about his work was his perpetual heavy-handness, in more ways than i can count. I've seen this his works, especially in his SIs. One generally writes Fanfiction for self-fulfillment, even more so in the case of Self-Inserts. So when Mr. Jared's creative muse was funneled to his Otaku series, I could not help but wonder if the same impulses had caused a overflow in his psyche, making him live out his desires and impulses through his digital persona, Skysaber. Or was it Jared Saotome?

Perhaps I'm trying to overanalyze things. I wouldn't know what was going on his mind at that time. Or yours (SHADE), for that matter >_<. I'm not a shrink, after all.

It'd be nice if you guyz could bury the Hatchet, though. I know there's little chance of that happening. Just like there's little chance of a resurgence of Ranma Fanfiction nowadays. I still hope, though. Maybe the  ressurection of one would mean the ressurection of the other.

[DB]

Uissu.


It'd be nice if you guyz could bury the Hatchet, though. I know there's little chance of that happening.

% Some people are just insane, and you really can't deal with them in any rational manner. In fanfic examples: Mike Rhea, deranged and unapproachable. Jim Bader, categorically insane. Don Granberry, functionally insane (you don't realize he's nuts unless you ask him the right quesiton, then from his answer you realize the sky is not blue in his world and it's best not to question him to closely about it). Ornstead is like the latter. He's usually fine until you do the wrong thing and he turns on you.

% Crazies can be amusing to talk about, though, like now. :)

[Dracos]

I'm vaguely surprised to see this still goin'.  It's been like 3 years since a sighting even as I recall it.

Dracos