Okay, test thread. Let's see if this gets enough movement to be sticky'ed. Kickstarter is posting up lots of games, both PC and tabletop, that frankly, are kick ass concepts.
Unfortunately, there's so many of them, they tend to fly under the radar. So, we're going to (hopefully) toss up links of interest in here. Any game you think is awesome and deserves a shout out, put here.
As an example:
Exalted 3rd Ed.: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/200664283/deluxe-exalted-3rd-edition?ref=category
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/girlgenius/girl-genius-volume-12-printing-and-reprint-frenzy
Almost over. The foglios are effectively turning the 'print stuff' effort into a kickstart their business.
Given they have given away free of charge almost every piece of art they've done in the last two decades, I am a big fan of them, and glad to see that they're able to continue giving away all their stuff to everyone :)
I know Pathfinder is of dubious support on the forum, but I came across this:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/502760470/conquest-of-the-universe-pathfinder-compatible?ref=category
What are you talking about? I love pathfinder.
Quote from: Iron Dragoon on June 01, 2013, 01:24:17 PM
Exalted 3rd Ed.: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/200664283/deluxe-exalted-3rd-edition?ref=category
This was a joke, right?
White Wolf aren't trying to crowd-source funding to make Exalted 3E - they're already doing that. This is them securing pre-orders. They can go and $#@% themselves, as far as I'm concerned.
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http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/502760470/conquest-of-the-universe-pathfinder-compatible?ref=category
Now that's more like it.
I like pathfinder, but that one is a bit weird. Namingly, all the value goals in the kickstarter are too low by an order of ten. 2500 to give a raise to the people involved? My last raise personally was way more than that. I couldn't imagine that split among any sizable group of people. "Hey we got 1000 more than we expected, 500 dollar raise for each of us this year!"
1250 toward hiring artists is nothing. 1 maybe 2 weeks pay, tops? That's 15 bucks an hour for 2 weeks of work, assuming no cut for kickstarter or anything else. Most artists of quality tend to request a little more than 30k a year. Especially if they're freelancing and that has to cover their health insurance and other fees.
Whitewolf makes me blink because they're being slimey, no two bits about it.
These guys make me blink because I can't imagine valid finances around what they're saying. And who makes a setup around printing and selling a product and limits the physical copies being sold? If a thousand people want to buy your product up front, that's awesome and should be enabled.
Quote from: Dracos on June 03, 2013, 05:59:57 PM
These guys make me blink because I can't imagine valid finances around what they're saying. And who makes a setup around printing and selling a product and limits the physical copies being sold? If a thousand people want to buy your product up front, that's awesome and should be enabled.
You're talking about the fact that they've said that aside from the limited editions that are being released via the Kickstarter that all EX3 will be in PDF form and maybe a buy-to-print format for shops?
Yeah, that confuses the hell out of me. Doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. Granted, still didn't stop me from pre-ordering one. Not a super deluxe version because I'm not attracted enough to shiny objects to want that shiny object for roughly $200 frigging dollars more.
No, I was talking about the Pathfinder kickstarter, which is only selling a small chunk of its physical product. Preordering the real product of any kickstarter endeavor should really be one of the primary methods of funding being employed. It's basically selling the end product up front to cover the remainder of the product development and manufacturing sales. An entirely reasonable way to at least not be holding a bag at the end of producing the product.
Making inordinately fancy books is probably a much more complicated thing and frankly, there's so much BS going on in there I hardly pay attention to what limits the EX3 one had.
Open mouth. Insert bacon foot.
Also, the new Double Fine thing, Massive Chalice (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/doublefine/double-fines-massive-chalice) may be of interest to some people. If nothing else the video for the page is extremely amusing.
Mmm, I'm a bit GRAWR DOUBLEFINE as their last creative, clever amusing game that I played, The Cave, just had a lot of blocker type bugs that got through their QA. It's hard to be forgiving of bugs that block just a primary path completion of levels.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/336486938/goblins-alternate-realities Hmmm.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1458134548/arkyd-a-space-telescope-for-everyone-0 This.
Seems they're already doing it as a project, and this kickstarter is just covering the marginal costs of one more unit. Still awesome.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/336486938/goblins-alternate-realities/
Not sure if I'll get this, but it is funded, so pretty much a given that the game can be purchased for 37 bucks.
Hmmm. Yeah, worth getting. I think I'll grab that when I get home.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/168734274/sam-and-fuzzy-two-volume-omnibus
Fuzzy and Sam. A big book.
Quote from: Dracos on July 17, 2013, 01:08:38 PM
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/168734274/sam-and-fuzzy-two-volume-omnibus
Fuzzy and Sam. A big book.
That is very, very tempting. Must...resist...
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lomography/the-lomography-petzval-portrait-lens
The Petzval lens, reimagined for DSLRs. I'm gonna buy one. Also, it's gold.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/5livesstudios/satellite-reign
This thing fhtagn.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/906612014/hp-lovecraft-film-festival-and-cthulhucon-los-ange
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/556341540/pressy-the-almighty-android-button?ref=category
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mightyno9/mighty-no-9?ref=live
Inafune is apparently going up to smack Capcom and show there's still a place for megaman games? I think?
Either way, it's already funded and has a month to go, so fairly safe bet.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1236620800/shantae-half-genie-hero?ref=live
I'm not entirely sure what they're really kickstarting here, but they're selling Shantae 3. Never played any of the Shantae games, but they're both supposed to be pretty good metroidvania titles.
Well that's adorable.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/combitstudios/river-city-ransom-underground
I present to you, River City Ransom's Sequel! Well, if they get funded.
They're open for support until the 9th of October.
Hummmmr.
I don't know how much respect I can have for a project that doesn't know that there were 2 sequels to River City Ransom (1 for the SNES), both of which did not come out in English.
Certainly that art lead was annoying to listen to and I love the shit out of River City Ransom. I dunno. This feels like it's done by guys afraid to do their own thing as a tribute.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1661802484/hyper-light-drifter
4 gaming kickstarters.
How many will get some of your money.
Who knows. o-o;
But it's neat to see how many little projects are getting funded.
Just a heads up:
Fully funded, but still available in case you want to pick up an easy will fund grab:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1236620800/shantae-half-genie-hero?ref=live
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1661802484/hyper-light-drifter
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mightyno9/mighty-no-9?ref=live
Sadly needs help:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/combitstudios/river-city-ransom-underground
The Long Dark (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hinterlandgames/the-long-dark-a-first-person-post-disaster-surviva) is a promising looking first-person post-apocalypse game centring around wilderness survival in Northern Canada after solar flare knocks out most modern technology and your plane crashes. If you're unsure the first gameplay footage should be up tomorrow. I'm kicking in $80 since it needs some help getting to the goal.
That looks really cool!
www.kickstarter.com/projects/437762268/tadpole-treble
The Brawl in the Family guy is doing a kickstarter.
Not really my thing, but giving it a shout out because he's always been pretty neat.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1821440755/mega-mantm-the-board-game
"Megaman: The Board Game."
Proooooooobably not gonna fund this.
Not so much because I doubt legality (it seems legit as far as I can tell, sounds like they did get license for it), but just that I don't feel the price tag that comes with it is any good.
Seems overpriced for the components. Even though miniatures do take effort to get nice, still seems overdone, and I can't see -anything- about gameplay that tells me the game is actually any fun. All they're pimping out is the base board and the miniatures. Not the cards that make up the meat game or showing any gameplay videos.
That said, they're doing Day 1 'early bird' pledge levels (amounts to -$10 on pledge), so it's not a terrible idea that if someone is even passingly interested, to pledge now, and just drop the pledge later if you're not interested.
It's likely a lot of people are doing just that, because wooo, that game is already Day 1 funded and three stretch goals have been met. o_O;;
Megaman is a strong brand, despite Capcom's efforts to the contrary lately.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/749707768/the-pocket-drone-your-personal-flying-robot
This is pretty cool for any photography nuts.
my spare cash nooooooooooooooooooooooo
Tabletop RPG of interest? http://kck.st/1pEzSGN
Epic Resort (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/floodgategames/epic-resort-enjoy-your-slaycation), a board game that combines deck building, worker placement, and resource management.
The theme of the game is that you are building resorts were tired/injured adventurers (as well as general tourists) can go to recover, while also improving the quality of the resort and fending off monster attacks.
Seems fun from what I can see of it, and the art is pretty cute.
Isn't lasting that much longer though, only has about 30 hrs to go right now. Fully funded already at least.
Well. I picked it up.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/tabletop-season-3-with-wil-wheaton
Help fund season 3 of Tabletop! Not a kickstarter, but Indiegogo. Close enough.
I thought the second half of the second season of Tabletop was a bit weak, if only for the fact that they did three games they had essentially done before (Catan > Star Trek Catan, Ticket to Ride > TtR: Europe, Tsuro > Tsuro of the Seas). Some of the editing seemed heavy too, but hopefully the funding would help improve that? Dunno.
Still enjoy the show for the most part. I may pledge at the $5 level to help out a little bit.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/girlgenius/girl-genius-volume-13-agatha-heterodyne-and-the-sl Book 13 is on its way.
Looks cool as fuck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MvjJMQ2I84
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/crytivogames/the-universim
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solar-roadways#description
If it can do what they say. More research may be required, but a cool concept either way.
I wish them well, and it is cool, but that really is exactly the type of concept that I'm more likely to buy into as an investor, then just hand them money sight unseen for Go Do Your Goal.
They're also set up really poorly for fulfillment. There's a lot of diffuse small products that don't do well in small print runs. They need big runs to be cost efficient.
A shame :(
From what I read in their FAQ, this funding cycle is for professional grade production of test bed parking lots, not actual production for implimentation.
Their FAQ says there's still a number of tests they have to do, and since their grant from the Federal Highway Administration is ending, they're going to crowd funding to compete R&D before starting to look for investors. They cite they don't want investors or stock holders right now because they want to keep things in the US instead of being pressured into subbing it out overseas.
That's what their FAQ says, at least.
Yup, read it and the why. It's adorable and all that, but I'm not a government agency and they're not a deductible charity. They're not taking investments and they're also not delivering a product that I can take advantage of, but instead will just exist as a temporary prototype. It won't even be a prototype in a city I'm anywhere near for some very long time, even on success.
That basically leaves them as begging on goodwill from concept alone, which isn't usually an interesting place to throw money. Some people will, but I would view it no different than any other non-deductible charitable donation, which is generally less interesting than the infinite number of deductible ones or just buying all my friends lunch one day. That it's saddled with knicknacks seem a pretty awkward fundraising mechanism.
It's unfortunate as it seems a pretty neat concept, but I think they are doing it a disservice by not being further teamed up with government or with someone looking to make money by making it a business. That said, there's a lot of enormous charities, so maybe folks will throw money at the Make New Road Tech charity over the Starving Little Children In A Country You Can't Name charity this month.
Yeah. They did mention that if their crowdfunding fails that they'll look into investors, which makes me half hope it does fail.
If it does, it's certainly something I would consider throwing a few dollars into.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2056655161/pocket-odyssey
Tabletop RPG you can carry in your pocket. It looks fairly nice, but readibility/clean-up concerns me. There's a lot of small components, which feels like something's going to get lost quickly.
Also, the pledge tiers are pretty stupid. There are nine pledge levels, of which seven are sold out because they're early bird/limited tiers. The last three tiers which provide a box to hold all components are amongst the sold out. So basically, there's just two tiers: Core game, and core game+expansion.
Linking in case someone gets interested.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/omocat/omori
This is...something else.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/readingrainbow/bring-reading-rainbow-back-for-every-child-everywh
Yeah, I think I'll just leave this here.
That one's going to set some records.
And like all things, already has people saying its bad to donate to and ineffective.
Quote from: Dracos on May 30, 2014, 10:59:07 PM
And like all things, already has people saying its bad to donate to and ineffective.
Not even remotely true, but people will say what people will.
Verily :(
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1194220798/hollywood-make-your-own-blockbuster <-- as usual for my Kickstarter linkage, it's a board game =p
It's a game where you're playing as the head of movie studio, and compete to make the best movie, both in terms of gross profit and gaining coveted movie of the year award. It uses a mix of drafting mechanics (like 7 Wonders) and auction mechanics.
12 days to go, and if you think it looks fun, there's also a contest where you could potentially win the game for free here:
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1181067/hobby-world-hollywood-contest-ends-jun-8th
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/assault-on-doomrock-board-game <-- Indie Gogo instead of Kickstarter, but same difference. =p
Assault on Doomrock looks like a fun D&D/fantasy-ish card-based board game, though I'm waiting see rulebook before pledging. It is co-op play btw.
I want to see things like what happens when a character dies (is it player elimination? lose a level? just out for that fight?), which the playthrough/review video doesn't really cover.
I also want to see if other stretch goals get unlocked, hopefully adding more traits and encounter cards.
There's essentially one pledge level btw: $60 for the game
Hmmm.
That seems neat, though 60 bucks feels expensive to me for it. Well, plenty of time for hopefully more information. I do like co-op :)
Yeah, the price point seems a bit on the high side for what you're getting when it's only cards and tokens. Mind you, it's a lot of them, but I would still have expected the price point closer to $40-45 or around there.
I suspect most of the extra cost is for covering shipping, as they're based off Poland.
Political satire campaign. But frankly, tempting enough as a thought that I link here. In spoilers for those who prefer politics to stay well and truly away from here.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-the-honest-politician-crash-the-most-expensive-senate-race-of-all-time#home
*donates from time to time, and thus gets harassed constantly about it. Really actually finds it disgusting when folks ask him to weigh in with opinion and money about the political representative of another state* Whole point is it is their business for diverse debate and opinions spread over our entire culture.
Old west Fallout/Wasteland 2 style game:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1752350052/hard-west
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/miniongames/dead-men-tell-no-tales
Cooperative game where you are a bunch of pirates that have blown up another pirate ship...a ghost pirate ship! Now you are cooperating to put out the fires, defeat skeletal guards, eliminate undead crew members, and steal all the treasure those pesky undead have hoarded!
Priced at $39, with an expected MSRP of $44, and no unreasonable shipping cost adder. Seems decent!
I lack enough nearby players that enjoy co-ops, unlike Drac, so maybe he'll get more out of this one. =)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/461807648/joe-devers-lone-wolf-the-lone-wolf-adventure-game
DUnno if anyone else played the old Lone Wolf adventure books, but I loved them. Neat to see an actual RPG getting made from them.
My, that is ancient.
I remember reading some of those.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/othersidegames/underworld-ascendant
Spinning back up. Not interested to me, but I know many ultima fans here.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fowers/burgle-bros-a-cooperative-heist-boardgame kinda cute
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/girlgenius/girl-genius-graphic-novel-a-new-journey-begins
We should do this more.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/impellerstudios/starfighter-inc/
Iddy linked. I also was a fan of those types of games.
I have one...really big concern though. The budget cost for just the people they showed in the video, for an average year, is more than will be left over after kickstarter's take. 250k for a 3d game project is hardly anything at all. 15 just out of college programmers will eat that in 3-4 months.
I read 16 player online multiplayer with dedicated servers and I see a pretty big price tag. Maybe with ten times that budget, we'd be talking, but this seems like enough to sketch out a few ships in one environment.
Quote from: Merc on June 28, 2014, 10:45:22 PM
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/assault-on-doomrock-board-game <-- Indie Gogo instead of Kickstarter, but same difference. =p
Assault on Doomrock looks like a fun D&D/fantasy-ish card-based board game, though I'm waiting see rulebook before pledging. It is co-op play btw.
For anybody interested, an expansion for this board/card game is supposed to go on Kickstarter on May 16th (tentatively), with the base game also available as part of a combined pledge level.
I'm -hoping- it's a bit more reasonably priced this time around, as the original Indiegogo campaign at $60 felt a bit high, which I mostly attributed to shipping from Poland and low production run. Hopefully with them targeting a larger audience through Kickstarter and having had some success with the initial production run of the base game, they can maybe lower price point. It really does look like a fun game, I'd be sad to pass on it a second time.
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2uhlkko.jpg)
I'll link the kickstarter page when it actually launches and offer some impressions on it.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/iga/bloodstained-ritual-of-the-night
Castlevania thing?
Yeah, it's having quite the marketing push. Hah I briefly ended up with it in both windows alongside soulriders. Still small money, but hey, they're getting there and they've got a budget that includes selling at the 60 dollar price point it seems.
Quote from: Merc on May 06, 2015, 11:45:23 PMQuote from: Merc on June 28, 2014, 10:45:22 PM
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/assault-on-doomrock-board-game <-- Indie Gogo instead of Kickstarter, but same difference. =p
Assault on Doomrock looks like a fun D&D/fantasy-ish card-based board game, though I'm waiting see rulebook before pledging. It is co-op play btw.
For anybody interested, an expansion for this board/card game is supposed to go on Kickstarter on May 16th (tentatively), with the base game also available as part of a combined pledge level.
I'm -hoping- it's a bit more reasonably priced this time around, as the original Indiegogo campaign at $60 felt a bit high, which I mostly attributed to shipping from Poland and low production run. Hopefully with them targeting a larger audience through Kickstarter and having had some success with the initial production run of the base game, they can maybe lower price point. It really does look like a fun game, I'd be sad to pass on it a second time.
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2uhlkko.jpg)
I'll link the kickstarter page when it actually launches and offer some impressions on it.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bdgames/assault-on-doomrock-doompocalypse/
So it's launched, with the relevant options being:
- $60 base game (same as indiegogo), or
- $85 base game + expansion.
- $300 (4-pack) base game + expansion
The game still looks really fun, and I've heard nothing but good things about it, although I am disappointed that they didn't lower cost at all. It seems like they were expecting a low production run again (Indiegogo sold 450 copies) and wanted to do a worldwide shipping flat cost for everyone.
For the time being, I'm backing it, though I do have a month to back out.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2074786394/trove-the-crystal-caverns
This looks kinda neat.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/maxtemkin/secret-hitler seriously you guys should get this...
4 more hours for Secret Hitler...
Tempting, but I already have Resistance which barely gets played for lack of large crowds.
That was pretty much my opinion on that. I think having Resistance, Coup, Werewolf and/or Mafia is enough to cover the party game crowd, rare that it comes up. I think my copy of Avalon has been played a grand total of 3 times.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gtgames/sentinels-of-the-multiverse-oblivaeon
Sentinels of the Multiverse is doing a 'last expansion' thing. Including buying the whole cardgame collection. Tempted but I kind of rather prefer doing digital there.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1449928723/moira-0
Still not sure if I'll pledge to this or not, but figured it might be of interest to others here.
I always tend to hesitate with pledging to video games, especially for low total goals and lots of stretch goals. Seems to be a recipe for disaster.
They're being fairly transparent that it's due to it being the second time they're trying to do a kickstarter (first time failed), that they did some studying into how to try and make it a successful campaign, and that they're not trying to pay themselves full salaries here and mostly it's just some support capital and that they want to get a project out to get their name known.
Fairly helpful to know that sort of stuff up front, though also worrying that as a 5-man team they're giving themselves a 1.5 year window to finish the game. They have a nice demo up, but how much of the game is done already, how much is left to go, and is 1.5 years going to be enough when the money -isn't- a full time salary and you're going to be doing other freelance work to help support yourself? They also said as much that yes, they plan to rely on freelance work to keep them funded.
So yeah, it's a bit of a mixed bag of red flags and transparency coupled with what did look like a fairly solid demo (if simplistic, but not a bad thing for a demo).
For those curious as to what it's about, it's a magic-themed Kirby/Megaman style game where a novice mage with a 'mimic' magic ability can learn new abilities from certain enemies or bosses and combine them for new effects and traveling through an overworld to go to levels and towns.
Kinda neat but yeah, most my unfulfilled kickstarters are Game ones.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/handelabra/sentinels-of-the-multiverse-the-video-game-season
Season 2.
Some cool poster art.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/61940810/true-black-tarot-art-posters-set-1
For the mechanically inclined of you:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/grypmat/the-grypmat-the-worlds-most-versatile-tool-mat?ref=FundedToday&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=11dsa.fnd.to
That is pretty cool.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/492104614/easy-life-belt-magnetic-first-belt-that-breathes-w?ref=FundedToday&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=1bc.fnd.to
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/failbetter/sunless-skies-the-sequel-to-sunless-sea
It's live! And already past its goal!
EDIT: Hurray, funded!
I know we have a lot of board gamers here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/417979510/board-game-truck
The biggest one is silly, I think, but the medium one looks pretty decent.
It's been a loooong time since I've looked at kickstarter stuff, but I had my fancy tickled as one of my top 5 board games is apparently getting a reprint: Endeavor: Age of Sail (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/burntislandgames/endeavor-age-of-sail)
This is an area board control game, with elements of card drafting and set collection. The one problem with the original print (besides the fact that it went out of print and was hard to find) was that it didn't really play well with less than 5 players, so it was hard to get out and played. There were a few homebrew tweaks for a decent 2 player mode, but I tend to prefer the 3-4 player range, and I never really enjoyed this game in that player count. One of the draws of the reprint is that there's a two-sided board now, with different layouts to support different player counts and player preferences on the tightness of the drafting/collection aspect. So -potentially- it'll be better at lower counts. There's also some 'expansion' aspects as the kickstarter offers an Exploits system to add some variability, and depending on the pledge level, another mini-expansion for 'charter companies'.
There's two pledge levels, one for $53 comes with the base game and the exploits system, and one for $63 that changes some of the cardboard cutouts for fancier pieces and the 'charter companies' mini-expansion.
No idea if that grabs anybody's attention, although the kickstarter ends in about 24 hours, so not a lot of time left.
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Another board game that I'm somewhat considering: Kami-sama (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kolossalgames/kami-sama)
From the name alone, you can guess on the theme of the game. You're playing japanese gods in old japan, trying to gain favor with villagers, consolidate your power, spread your influence. Each god has different powers, and it's a different style of area control game than Endeavor. This kickstarter's got about 11 days to go.
I'm a bit more undecided on this one, even though it did catch my eye simply because who knows when I'll have a chance to play it. Been quite a long time since I've honestly sat down to play a board game. On the other hand, it's a game I don't have as opposed to Endeavor which I do own the first print (although I may sell that or give it away if I end up going for the reprint), so who knows. I have some time to think on this one still.
I just put my Pledge for this game: Endeavor: Age of Sail
Don't recall if it was Drac or Hal that got the original, but there's an expansion to Vast on kickstarter:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2074786394/vast-the-mysterious-manor
I did. Mmm, kinda don't get a ton of opportunities to play vast.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/frosthaven/frosthaven?ref=6j3sdu
Gloomhaven was great.
Gloomhaven expansion was terrible.
Kinda wish they had a non-shit digital though. It's WAY too many pieces generally.