Soulriders 5.0: Legend of the Unending Games

just to keep feedback off the charsheet thread.

You're missing the rest of your hp rolls.  I suggest keeping the rolls marked (Merc sometimes is kind to those who repeatedly roll 1s).  You should list your speed, especially given you got a build on it.  You also didn't finish reading the Combat Mobility ability.  It also doubles your dex bonus for the purposes of tumble and lets you move full speed while tumbling, both pretty important perks.  So your tumble is 17 not 13.  Also there's some synergy stuff that's annoying stupid math.  You'll have to read through the book to get it because it's annoying but anyhow, you're likely sitting at 19 tumble, enough for solid roll in, backstabbery. 

Your BDB is actually assessed a -1 multiclassing penalty.  But Merc should wave that away because its dumb. :P  There's also some wonky math for masteries but I dunno if your numbers would differ on a 1 level dip.

Cleave is very unlikely to be useful, but you can always train it out later if I'm right.  You should format those things separately, but you came from excel.

I strongly recommend you note your skill groups (for executioner anyway), so its easier to spend points later.  Remember you spend with the harrier skill groups for 1 level, and the executioner skill groups for the others. 

anyhow, buildwise no problems...but uh, who is this sneaky fast executioner of doom?  What's the character? :)

Made the updates/changes. Let me know if they're right.

<Iddy> roll 1d4+4
* Hatbot --> "Iddy rolls 1d4+4 and gets 5." [1d4=1]
<Iddy> roll 6d4+20
* Hatbot --> "Iddy rolls 6d4+20 and gets 38." [6d4=3, 4, 4, 3, 2, 2]

Those are the rolls I saw from #elysium, and that's a couple of rolls too many. You'd only make 5 rolls (levels 2-6). I took the first 5 from both sets, so: [1,3,4,4,3]

Given that you have Con+2, then from Con, you get 12 HP.
Level 1 gives max HP, so 8HP.
I gave a +20 HP bonus for level 1 also in house rules.
Rolls are 5#(d4+4), or 5x4+[1,3,4,4,3]=20+[1,3,4,4,3]=20+15=35

So from my calculations, you should have: 75 HP

Stats, Traits, Speed are fine.

Note that skill groups between classes don't give you skill group points for other classes. So you don't get 4 skill groups from being both a harrier and executioner. So it's going to be slightly more complex for you, and you'd want to split things into skill group points, individual rank points, and then roll bonus.

I asked you leveling due to effect on skills/feats. You said Executioner 1 > Harrier 1 > Executioner 2-5. In this case, you'd have 6x4+8+6x4=56 skill points.

Roll Mod

Skill's Group/Name

Group

Rank

Ability

Synergy

Other

Athletics (H/E)

9

+10

Climb

| - |

+9

+1 (Str)

+12

Jump

| - |

+9

+1 (Str)

Tumble

+10

Swim

| - |

+9

+1 (Str)

Agility (H)

5

+15

Balance

|+4|

+9

+4 (Dex)

Tumble

+9

Escape Artist

| - |

+5

+4 (Dex)

+19

Tumble

|+4|

+9

+4 (Dex)

Jump

+4 (Combat Mobility)

Perception (E)

9

+12

Listen

| - |

+9

+3 (Wis)

+12

Sense Motive

| - |

+9

+3 (Wis)

+12

Spot

| - |

+9

+3 (Wis)

+9

Search

| - |

+9

+0 (Int)

Stealth (E)

9

+13

Hide

| - |

+9

+4 (Dex)

+13

Move Silently

| - |

+9

+4 (Dex)

Other Skills

+4

Bluff

|+5|

+5

-1 (Cha)

+3

Disguise

|+2|

+2

-1 (Cha)

Bluff

+1

Gather Information

|+2|

+2

-1 (Cha)

+6

Open Lock

|+2|

+2

+4 (Dex)

+8

Sleigh of Hand

|+2|

+2

+4 (Dex)

Bluff

SUM:

=56=

Other synergy: Diplomacy+2 (Bluff), Intimidate+2 (Bluff), Use Rope+2 to bind someone (Escape Artist), Survival+2 to follow tracks (Search)

You can switch around points between agility skills or other skills (or lower rank on athletics/perception/stealth), but yeah, you can't get max rank on so many skills like you had. You were spending 80 skill points in your sheet when you only have 56.

Your feat mastery would be:
1: Finesse 1, Power 1
2: Finesse 1, Power 1, Defense 1
3: Finesse 1, Power 1, Defense 1
4: Finesse 2, Power 2, Defense 1, Lore 1
5: Finesse 2, Power 2, Defense 1, Lore 1
6: Finesse 3, Power 3, Lore 2, Defense 1, Other 1

You wouldn't get Projectile mastery at all (well, except from the Other). Feats are otherwise good.

While I agree that the BDB penalty can be dumb, I can understand the reasoning behind it as right now he gets BDB+6 vs BDB+5 if he'd been straight harrier or executioner if you don't put the penalty. The ruling can get weird if you multiclass between classes with different progression or more than two classes though, and -that's- what makes it dumb.

In this case, just treat BDB as if you were straight executioner (so BDB = +5)

Don't forget to buy gear. You should spend around 3,500gp (that should put you at about equal with the others).


Code for skill table if you want to use it:

[table][tr][td][center][b][u]Roll Mod[/u][/b][/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][b][u]Skill's Group/Name[/u][/b][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center][b][u]Group[/u][/b][/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center][b][u]Rank[/u][/b][/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center][b][u]Ability[/u][/b][/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center][b][u]Synergy[/u][/b][/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][b][u]Other[/u][/b][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td] [/td]
[td] [/td][td][i][b]Athletics (H/E)[/b][/i][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]9[/center][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td][center]+10[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td]Climb[/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]| - |[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+9[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+1 (Str)[/center][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td][center]+12[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td]Jump[/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]| - |[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+9[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+1 (Str)[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]Tumble[/center][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td][center]+10[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td]Swim[/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]| - |[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+9[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+1 (Str)[/center][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][/tr][tr][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td]
[td] [/td][td][i][b]Agility (H)[/b][/i][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]5[/center][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td][center]+15[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td]Balance[/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]|+4|[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+9[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+4 (Dex)[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]Tumble[/center][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td][center]+9[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td]Escape Artist[/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]| - |[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+5[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+4 (Dex)[/center][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td][center]+19[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td]Tumble[/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]|+4|[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+9[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+4 (Dex)[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]Jump[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td]+4 (Combat Mobility)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][/tr][tr][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td]
[td] [/td][td][i][b]Perception (E)[/b][/i][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]9[/center][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td][center]+12[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td]Listen[/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]| - |[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+9[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+3 (Wis)[/center][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td][center]+12[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td]Sense Motive[/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]| - |[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+9[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+3 (Wis)[/center][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td][center]+12[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td]Spot[/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]| - |[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+9[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+3 (Wis)[/center][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td][center]+9[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td]Search[/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]| - |[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+9[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+0 (Int)[/center][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][/tr][tr][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td]
[td] [/td][td][i][b]Stealth (E)[/b][/i][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]9[/center][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td][center]+13[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td]Hide[/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]| - |[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+9[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+4 (Dex)[/center][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td][center]+13[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td]Move Silently[/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]| - |[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+9[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+4 (Dex)[/center][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][/tr][tr][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td]
[td] [/td][td][i][b]Other Skills[/b][/i][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td][center]+4[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td]Bluff[/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]|+5|[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+5[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]-1 (Cha)[/center][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td][center]+3[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td]Disguise[/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]|+2|[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+2[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]-1 (Cha)[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]Bluff[/center][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td][center]+1[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td]Gather Information[/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]|+2|[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+2[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]-1 (Cha)[/center][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td][center]+6[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td]Open Lock[/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]|+2|[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+2[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+4 (Dex)[/center][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td][center]+8[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td]Sleigh of Hand[/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]|+2|[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+2[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]+4 (Dex)[/center][/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]Bluff[/center][/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][/tr][tr][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td]
[td] [/td][td]SUM:[/td]
[td] [/td][td][center]=56=[/center][/td]
[/tr][/table]

Hey merc, I think you might be wrong on the skill group thing.  I remember checking it and they seemed like they took the simple route: Once you have a skillgroup, you have it for good.

I made the changes per Merc. On the BDB, I don't have the books on my now (at work), but I'm guessing what applies to the BDB also applies to BAB, so I dropped that down to 5 as well. When I get home for the day, I'll look at equipment and start spending money.

Drac did point out the skill thing to me as well, so you might need to recheck that as well.

Ah, Drac is right. Page 72 has "Regardless of the class that you advanced in with your new level, you can spend ranks on any of the skill groups available to your classes."

So you could have a 9 in Agility instead of just 5. Which basically nets you 4 extra skill points.

The multiclass thing doesn't apply to BAB, just BDB. So BAB should still be +6/+1

Alright. Think I got everything set. Let me know what's still fubar.