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Title: My Otome/ZWEI/0~S.ifr Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on October 08, 2005, 10:27:10 PM
My Otome Info (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=5378)

My Otome Zwei (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=6446)

My Otome 0~S.ifr (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=8764)



Discuss the series here.


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: thepanda on October 10, 2005, 06:56:20 PM
I've just watched the first episode of this and I have to say that this season is looking up.

Say what you will about the previous show's ending, the studio knows how to grab you by the bojangles with their intro episodes. They've managed to squeeze a ton of fan service (not of the panty shot variety, mind) for those who enjoyed the previous season. There are many familiar faces popping up.

The battles are, once again, tops. This time, however, it seems they're going to be pushing the envelope. The previous season took place in a (mostly) rural-seeming environment; this season the meat of the ation will hopefully take place in this big, beautiful city. They've never been shy about the collateral damage, and if the first episode is any indication they'll keep that tradition.

I haven't seen enough of the new main to get a real feel for her yet, but she shows promise. She's not Mai with a new face, thankfully. I'd have been a bit mad if they'd just cloned Mai and called her a new character.

That being said, I hope Mai shows up again. Maybe as a main baddy this time around. You know the baddies get to kick ass in this series.

The only problem I had was the ending. The music was tolerable (it will probably grow on me after a few more listens) but the visual was bleh. Its like they didn't even try.

Regardless, the show itself shows a great deal of promise. Here's hoping it manages to pace itself like the latter half of the first show.
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on October 10, 2005, 07:11:33 PM
Quote from: "thepanda"That being said, I hope Mai shows up again. Maybe as a main baddy this time around. You know the baddies get to kick ass in this series.

Mai will definitely be showing up... Hell "Flame Otome" is Mai. The character designer, Hirokazu Hisayuki (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=14936) , himself confirmed it on his blog.


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: thepanda on October 10, 2005, 07:18:40 PM
I rejoice!
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Merc on October 21, 2005, 09:03:30 AM
Heh, I loved episode 2. Arika-chan's hair is so versatile. Shiho was an amusing re-introduction as well.
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: thepanda on October 26, 2005, 02:52:21 PM
Just finished rewatching the third episode. The pacing of this season feels a bit off. I think they're using the assumed knowledge off the previous series as too much of a crutch.

Nina and Arika (and a few new or undeveloped-in-the-previous-series characters) should have had a few more episodes to build this universe up to stand on its own.

THe fight was nice, but given that the two mains are still rather one dimensional a lot of the tension just isn't coming across.

I hope they fix this soon.
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: thepanda on November 20, 2005, 07:44:54 PM
Ok, watched Doremi's version of episode 7.

Firstly, Myu. That's all I really need to say.

Secondly, we seem to finally be going somewhere. I know, people say that HiME didn't really start until episode 8 and that this series is mirroring that approach, but at least in HiME there was a consistant  'monster of the day' format that kept the plot moving along.

The plot is starting to really form now, too. The big question at the moment being 'who is the real princess?' My money is on Nina being the princess, Arika being Rena's daughter, and Mashiro ending up with Nagi, maybe. That or she actually is a princess, only there were two instead of the one? There isn't any evidence for that last suggestion, but who knows? Anyway, nice to see it moving along.
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on November 20, 2005, 07:56:10 PM
Mashiro with Nagi?

Come on. I mean she's a brat and all but she doesn't deserve that. Nagi has villian written all over him if you ask me or manipulative bastard if nothing else. Besides episode 7 goes a long way towards moving Mashiro past being nothing more than a shallow brat.

As for the battles I like the way it's going so far. Give me occasional battles that kick ass than repeated run of the mill monster of the week crap. As for the pacing of the show I think it's just fine and I love the rivalries that are being set up.

Oh and Nao = Win. No question.


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Ginrai on November 20, 2005, 08:01:19 PM
Quote from: "thepanda"Ok, watched Doremi's version of episode 7.

Firstly, Myu. That's all I really need to say.

Not to mention Mikoto and (I think) a quick shot of Fumi.

QuoteThe plot is starting to really form now, too. The big question at the moment being 'who is the real princess?' My money is on Nina being the princess, Arika being Rena's daughter, and Mashiro ending up with Nagi, maybe. That or she actually is a princess, only there were two instead of the one? There isn't any evidence for that last suggestion, but who knows? Anyway, nice to see it moving along.

This will most likely be the case, though I think there's also the possibility that the writer's are misdirecting us and that Nina is actually Rena's daughter with Mashiro being the actual princess while Arika was sent (maybe with her not realizing this) by the Black Valley (meaning her 'grandmother' is most likely Midori).
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: thepanda on November 20, 2005, 08:08:56 PM
Quote from: "Shuten"Mashiro with Nagi?

Yes, I really could see it happening.

Quote from: "Shuten"Come on. I mean she's a brat and all but she doesn't deserve that. Nagi has villian written all over him if you ask me or manipulative bastard if nothing else.

Manipulative bastard definately, but I don't really think he's the villian. Not yet, anyway.

Quote from: "Shuten"Besides episode 7 goes a long way towards moving Mashiro past being nothing more than a shallow brat.

She's not as shallow, true, but she's still a brat. However, I expect she'll grow out of it as the show continues.

Quote from: "Shuten"Oh and Nao = Win. No question.

No question, indeed. ^_^

I liked Mikoto's little cameo followed by Mashiro's "Where were you all this time?" when cat-Mikoto shows back up.
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: thepanda on November 20, 2005, 08:15:26 PM
Quote from: "Ginrai"Not to mention Mikoto and (I think) a quick shot of Fumi.

Quote from: "Ginrai"This will most likely be the case, though I think there's also the possibility that the writer's are misdirecting us and that Nina is actually Rena's daughter with Mashiro being the actual princess while Arika was sent (maybe with her not realizing this) by the Black Valley (meaning her 'grandmother' is most likely Midori).

You know, I never thought of that. Arika being from the black valley would be  straight out of left field. Though you'd then have to wonder how they got the gem.
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on November 20, 2005, 08:24:40 PM
Quote from: "thepanda"Yes, I really could see it happening.

Oh I'm not saying it couldn't. I just hope that it doesn't. ^^;

Quote from: "thepanda"Manipulative bastard definately, but I don't really think he's the villian. Not yet, anyway.

Oh he's definitely not officially a villian yet but I just have this feeling... ^^;

Quote from: "thepanda"She's not as shallow, true, but she's still a brat. However, I expect she'll grow out of it as the show continues.

No argument here.

Quote from: "thepanda"No question, indeed. ^_^

I liked Mikoto's little cameo followed by Mashiro's "Where were you all this time?" when cat-Mikoto shows back up.

Heh.

Anyways something tells me that Mashiro and Arika are going to be spending much more time together in the near future whether they like it or not. ^^;


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Ranma_007 on November 20, 2005, 08:29:57 PM
"It's your job to find a way out of this contract!"
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on November 20, 2005, 08:48:52 PM
Quote from: "Ranma_007""It's your job to find a way out of this contract!"

True Mashiro did say that but the fact remains that impulsive decisions made on the spur of the moment rarely go without consequences besides...

"If you truly want to become an Otome, you better think hard about whom you want to protect. Because once you make the contract..." - Sergei

Now he doesn't get the chance to finish before Arika runs off but I'll bet he would've made it clearly that the contract was unbreakable.

Corals and even Pearls clearly have safeguards which prevent full contracts from being made. However ones of the level of Blue Sky Sapphire more than likely do not. Afterall it is most likely expected that once an Otome reaches the level where she would qualify to be a Meister she fully understands the consequences of her choices and is willing to accept them.


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Ranma_007 on November 20, 2005, 08:52:09 PM
Indeed.
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Ginrai on November 20, 2005, 09:09:01 PM
Quote from: "thepanda"You know, I never thought of that. Arika being from the black valley would be  straight out of left field. Though you'd then have to wonder how they got the gem.

Well, the Black Valley soldiers did almost immediately confront Rena after she sent the child off. They could've easily intercepted the baby and taken the jewel.
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: thepanda on November 20, 2005, 09:22:44 PM
But if they had gotten hold of the baby why wouldn't they simply have gotten rid of her (Nina, in your scenario)?
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Ginrai on November 20, 2005, 09:28:17 PM
Quote from: "thepanda"But if they had gotten hold of the baby why wouldn't they simply have gotten rid of her (Nina, in your scenario)?

Maybe they wouldn't have killed her because she wasn't the actual princess or maybe they did think she was the actual princess and wanted her captured instead of killed (and later on she was rescued by Sergei, which would in a way tie in with another of Nina's flashbacks).
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on November 25, 2005, 10:28:26 AM
Well I just finished watching episode 8 raw and it would appear that the "problem" has been dealt with. Guess I was wrong about that. Still I'd say it's for the best anyway. Afterall if the "problem" had not been resolved the way it was it would've just ended up feeling like a cheap unearned you know what.

Edit: After reading a detailed summary of episode 8 it would appear that the "problem" has not been completely dealt with. I won't go into the details but suffice it to say I wasn't quite as wrong as I first thought. I'd say more but it would be best to see for people to see for themselves.

Second Edit: After watching Doremi-Otome's sub of episode 8 it would appear beyond doubt that, at least in regards to the "contract", it's there to stay for the time being. Suffice it to say simply removing the "gems" does not nullify a Meister level "contract" based upon what is currently known.


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on December 02, 2005, 12:14:56 PM
Just finished watching episode 9 raw and I enjoyed it immensely. Arika has earned her place in the Bad Cooks Hall of Fame. ^^;

On a decidedly different note am I the only one who finds next time previews tend to ruin perfectly good cliffhangers? I mean seriously what's the point of building up tension if you're just going to provide the answer right away. Now how is this related to the episode you ask... well when you see the end of the episode itself and then the next time preview you'll see how it corresponds. Anyways enough prattle. Erstin for the WIN! @_@

...Too bad she's probably going to inevitably be offed. I hope I'm wrong though. Erstin's too cute to die! ;_;


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: thepanda on December 02, 2005, 03:24:39 PM
I doubt she'll die.

I know EXACTLY what you mean by the next episode preview ruining a cliffhanger. Although, for this episode at least, it added some incentive to download the next episode as soon as possible. What can I say? I'm a fanboi. ^_^

The real question is who messed with their little tracking device bracelet things? Some people keep saying it was John Smith because

1.) He shows up just before that scene, and

2.) they think the hands are manly.

I disagree with this school of thought. First, the color of the sleeves don't match up. Second, if you look at the figure's out line you can see a certain someone's trademark hairstyle. I'm thinking Tomoe the Jealous Otome has struck again!
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on December 02, 2005, 08:10:52 PM
Quote from: "thepanda"I doubt she'll die.

I hope your right. ;_:

Quote from: "thepanda"I know EXACTLY what you mean by the next episode preview ruining a cliffhanger. Although, for this episode at least, it added some incentive to download the next episode as soon as possible. What can I say? I'm a fanboi. ^_^

Dark Midori for the WIN! @_@

Now we just need Flame Otome to appear along with Akira and Takumi. Hell I really want to see Akira appear. We need a Kunoichi Otome damn it!@_@

Quote from: "thepanda"I disagree with this school of thought. First, the color of the sleeves don't match up. Second, if you look at the figure's out line you can see a certain someone's trademark hairstyle. I'm thinking Tomoe the Jealous Otome has struck again!

If it wasn't Tomoe it was definitely one of her lackeys. I think though that this will be the wake up call Arika needs to make it clear that there are people deliberately trying to ruin her chances.

Oh and on a decidedly different note Erstin and Arika looked really cute together. I certainly wouldn't object to the two of them becoming more than friends. ^^;


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on December 05, 2005, 07:00:45 PM
Well I've seen episode 9 subbed now, Doremi-Otome's version, and I find myself really worried about Erstin's future. She gets bitten by a snake and tries to claim it isn't a problem. She specifically sites the fact that Yohko-sensei has stated that the nanomachines within them will dispel poisonous substances and yet she's clearly succumbing to the effects of something that shouldn't be affecting her. Here's the exact quote Erstin herself...

"It's okay. Didn't Yohko-sensei say? Poisonous substances will be dispelled from the body by the nanomachines."

Now it's possible the fansubbers translated it wrong but assuming they did not this definitely doesn't bode well for Erstin's future. Afterall there's only one reason, based upon what is currently known, why the nanomachines wouldn't be dealing with the poison inside of her body. Suffice it to say I highly doubt the snake that bit her filled her with a type of venom capable of eluding the nanomachines systems.

I really hope I'm wrong but the fact that the nanomachines aren't dealing with the poison, what they found out in episode 8 concerning an Otome's potential role, Erstin's comments to Arika regarding the fact that her dream is not to become an Otome, and suffice it to say I think her days are numbered. At the very least as an Otome anyway.


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: thepanda on December 09, 2005, 10:04:23 AM
Saw episode 10 raw.

Firstly, Haruka is love. <3

Secondly,

GAAAAAAAAKUUUUUUUUUUUTENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOUUUUUUU!

Midori easily steals the 'most awesome' prize from Shizuru.
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on December 09, 2005, 11:14:33 AM
Well I've seen episode 10 raw and based on it so far it would seem that Erstin is fine however I'm still somewhat up in the air about it. Currently from what we know, based on DOREMI-OTOME's version, she shouldn't have been affected by the poison at all and yet she was. As of current I can see three possible paths, independant of each other, that could resolve the situation.

Ultimately I'm hoping that either explanation 1 or 3 is the correct one.

Now on a decidedly different note Midori once again proves that the My Otome interpretations of the My HiME characters are all vastly superior. Even GakutenOu's summoning was vastly cooler than it's My HiME counterpart ever was. In my opinion anyway.

Of course episode 11 will apparently see the return of Takumi and of course with his return it's only a matter of time before "She" returns.


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: thepanda on December 09, 2005, 02:41:17 PM
Quote from: "Shuten"Now on a decidedly different note Midori once again proves that the My Otome interpretations of the My HiME characters are all vastly superior. Even GakutenOu's summoning was vastly cooler than it's My HiME counterpart ever was. In my opinion anyway.

I can't agree with that. The Otome personalities that we 'mark out' for aren't nearly as great if you haven't first watched HiME. Maybe it is just me, but they ride a lot on what people remember about their previous incarnations to fill in the gaps where they haven't done a whole lot of character developement. For example, the ShizuruxNatsuki scenes, minus the HiME context, don't come across very strongly on their own. The comedic elements fall flat because no one would get the joke. I can honestly understand when people say 'what's the big deal? So they're (probably) lesbians. So what?'

Seriously, take away all the HiME context on just Natsuki alone and see what you have left. You have the set up for a potentially great character, but on its own Otome has just to fully realise any of its character's potential.

Thankfully we aren't even halfway through the show. They certainly have the time to grow.
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on December 09, 2005, 03:14:33 PM
Good points. Perhaps it would be better to say that My HiME provides a solid foundation from which a potentially better product, My Otome,  looks to be emerging as opposed to just saying that they're simply better on their own. I will concede that point.  I will also agree that My Otome is also more enjoyable if you've seen My HiME completely first. However my comments regarding GakutenOu remain unchanged. In my opinion the "My Otome Version" summoning was far superior to the "My HiME Version" summoning. ^^


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: baka on December 09, 2005, 03:33:22 PM
A fourth possibility for Erstin's condition:

We didn't actually see the snake that bit her, as far as I can remember. Perhaps there was some kind of foul play, with something the nanomachines can't deal with?
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on December 09, 2005, 03:54:26 PM
Quote from: "baka-ken"A fourth possibility for Erstin's condition:

We didn't actually see the snake that bit her, as far as I can remember. Perhaps there was some kind of foul play, with something the nanomachines can't deal with?

This (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/epyonscythezero/misc/snake.jpg),  this (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/epyonscythezero/misc/erstininpain.jpg), and this (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/epyonscythezero/misc/snakebite.jpg) clearly say otherwise.


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: baka on December 09, 2005, 03:59:14 PM
I must have been as blind as hell in that episode.

Never mind.
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: thepanda on December 10, 2005, 05:32:40 PM
Watched Doremi's version of episode 10. I guess Midori isn't so different from her HiME counterpart as the raw led me to believe. Seems to be more a difference in ideology than her just being evil. She's still the bad guy, though.

Probably.

Nice to see the plot taking strides forward. Those who maintain the status quo vs those who want to revert back to the past. I know it was hinted at in the episode Midori's group was hired, but I was somewhat confused by Doremi's wording of that part. It didn't match up with SS when I later downloaded SS version.

Also, the preview for the next show is hilarious. ^_^

I spy Takumi, so I figure either Akira (likely) or Mai (less likely) will show up pretty soon, as well. Nifty.
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on December 11, 2005, 08:40:56 PM
Just checked out Static-Subs release of episode 9 and, unless both groups got it wrong I think it's safe to say that Erstin is definitely screwed.

"It's okay. Didn't Yohko-sensei say? Poisonous substances will be dispelled from the body by the nanomachines." OTOME-Doremi Version

"I'm fine. Remember what Youko-sensei said? Any kind of poison should get broken down by the nano-machines inside us." Static-Subs Version

The spelling is a bit different as well as the wording but the general meaning remains unchanged. Based on this I would say Erstin's days as an Otome are all but numbered. Oh well I guess the first possibility I mentioned here (http://www.soulriders.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=63714#63714) is now the least likely possibility and possibilities 2 and 3 are now more likely than ever.

Of course it could take a different path as opposed to the paths I suggested. We shall see. Still their going to have to deal with this situation, if not thru Erstin than thru someone else, eventually. After all why make it such an achille's heel for an Otome if it isn't going to be used?

Oh and one final note. Once again it would appear that Takumi (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/epyonscythezero/bscap000.jpg) and Mai (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/epyonscythezero/bscap001.jpg) are again linked. How exactly they're linked, most likely as brother and sister but there's nothing saying it has to be that, is something only time will reveal.


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on December 15, 2005, 09:57:54 PM
Watching My Otome episode 11 raw at the moment and so far it seems like Erstin is still in Guarderobe. I've been thinking about it a while and one other possibility exist that would explain the situation. Simply put the Nanomachines inside an Otome, at least a Coral anyway, have limited lifespan and need to be replaced at regular intervals. Erstin just happened to be "poisoned" at the point where she was due for one.

Besides thinking about it this makes sense since they'd want someway of assuring that a runaway Otome, if for some reason they aren't able to catch her beforehand, was at most a temporary threat and to ensure as little chance as possible exists that any of the nanomachines could fall into the wrong hands. Essentially I guess you could say it's a redundant safeguard.

Regardless hopefully this will be answered for sure at some point.


Sincerely,
Shuten

Edit: Finished watching the episode and the preview for twelve has left me wondering one thing... will all, assuming My Otome isn't the last one,  spinoffs of My HiME have the Akira "Crossdressing" theme? ;p

As for the episode itself it was decent. No real action in it but it does help further develop Nina's character so I've got no complaints.
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on December 20, 2005, 09:43:37 PM
Just figured I should note that episode 12 will be the last My Otome episode to air this year. Episode 13 won't air until January 5, 2006.


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on December 22, 2005, 07:45:29 PM
Episode 12 was quite a bit of fun. Mixed up identities and more references to HiME as well as the first onscreen appearance of Mai, besides the opening, in the series. Don't get your hopes up though. It's just a picture  of Mai, Natsuki, and several others back when they were Corals. Still it's better than nothing. ^^;

Incidentally Arika with her hair loose and in formal wear = WIN! ^^;

Oh and on that note how the hell does Arika fit all of her hair into such a small area? o_O;


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on January 30, 2006, 12:46:06 PM
Haven't posted here in a while... of course no one else has either so shame on everyone! @_@

Anyways! I'm still enjoying the series myself and definitely like the new opening that debuted with episode 16 way more than the original. "Crystal Energy" so OWNS "Dream Energy" on every conceivable level. Well the tv size versions anyway. Whether the full size version will stand up to it's predecessor is something we shall find out in time!

As for Arika's crush it does serve a purpose I think most others may well have missed. That purpose was a quick and easy way to bond Arika & Mashiro together so that the plot could move forward. Cliche beyond all doubt absolutely but unfortunately if left to their own devices they'd still be at the point where they simply tolerate each other at best.

Besides let's face it. There are few things that bond two people, provided they already have something of a base to work with in the first place, faster than shared misery and consoling each other. Afterall those tears are like spiritual super glue don't you know? ;p

Regardless!

She's got the BELT! (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/epyonscythezero/maibelt.jpg)

She's got the SCARF! (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/epyonscythezero/maiscarf.jpg)

She's got the KICK! (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/epyonscythezero/maikick.jpg)

Now if she only had the mask... Oh well maybe she'll wear one at least once. I want at least a short bit of 'Kamen Rider Mai'!  She's already got all but one aspect left of the classic Kamen Rider ensemble. May as well at least let her do a short scene with the complete set up. ;_;

Ultimately mask or no mask she needs to appear soon! Let's go!! BLAZING MAI KICK!!! @_@


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: thepanda on February 02, 2006, 02:41:40 PM
Quote from: "Shuten"Haven't posted here in a while... of course no one else has either so shame on everyone! @_@

Hey! I've been ofline for three weeks. Give me a break here. ^^;

Anyway, my thoughts...

I almost gave up on this series a few episodes ago, actually. The whole Arika/Sergay lovelove thing was really creeping me out. I found this doubly strange because it isn't like much older male/young girl crush dynamic is something knew or even something I usually have too much of a problem with. Maybe its because Arika really does come across as a kid more than most of the 14 year olds running around in various anime. I'm extremely happy to see the show get past that point.

Also, the plot is finally moving in the direction of awesome. I was expecting them to pull this kind of thing two episodes ago. One of the problems that I've had with Otome is that while they keep harping on how powerful they're supposed to be you never really get to see it. Now, the otome manga, on the other hand, is _ing awesome. If otome starts to be more like its manga counterpart I'm all for it.

As for the opening...

I had no warning before I watched it.

I laughed my ass off, watched it again, and laughed some more. Sunrise, you have, in less than two minutes, redeemed yourselves for GSD. Good job, you. Spider-Man Nao got a huge chuckle out of me. Mai seems to be the only Meister with a decent robe, but the Char-in-black might be nice as well. Played some Gundam seed opening music while watching the new intro...


By the way, let me take this time to say the Otome manga is awesome, if for no other reason than chapters 23 and 24.
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: thepanda on February 02, 2006, 09:24:50 PM
Episode 17...

Oh.

My.

GOD!

So much awesome in one episode...
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on February 03, 2006, 03:15:38 AM
I've got mixed feelings regarding episode 17. I don't know whether to be extremely happy with such an awesome episode or miserable that... well I won't say... I think though that I will be miserable. Now excuse me while I go sit in the dark and sob pitifully. ;_;


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: thepanda on February 03, 2006, 04:51:18 AM
You had to know 'it' was coming, Shu. I sure didn't expect 'it' to happen the way it did, but I wasn't exactly shocked either.
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on February 03, 2006, 02:49:28 PM
Quote from: "thepanda"You had to know 'it' was coming, Shu.

Oh I knew it was coming. However that doesn't make me any less sad that it occured. Hopefully if there's a third spinoff she'll be the "Akane" of the next series. Essentially the one who gets screwed over in one series but ends up with a happy ending in the next.


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on February 11, 2006, 01:01:28 PM
Well episode 18 was quite a treat. We learn that Miyu is once again M.I.Y.U. and Aoi well... as they say if you don't see the body... ^^;

Overall a very enjoyable episode. ^^

Edit: Watched the sub and I'm now 99.99% convinced that Miyu is "M.I.Y.U.". What I mean is that Miyu of My Otome is M.I.Y.U of My HiME. There are simply far too many coincidences for this not to be the case.

For example:
She references events that happened far beyond the lifespan of a normal human in such a way as to make one think she was there. She's also in possesion of far more knowledge than is believable for someone who supposedly mainly wanders the wasteland.

Her movements have a decidedly mechanical feel to them. She also comments that an Otome without her robe can't hope to beat her. This is stated in a way to make it clear that it is an absolute fact as opposed to just simple arrogance.

Directly stating that the Slaves are becoming more "Child" like. How could Miyu possibly know of "Childs" unless she was around to see them?

There's also the reference to someone she loved long ago who gave her the name Miyu. I highly doubt it was Arika and well there's one character from My HiME who named "M.I.Y.U." Miyu... Alyssa.

Which of course brings us to Alyssa herself. It's a well known fact that M.I.Y.U. can identify and track Alyssa's life force. There's also the fact that Alyssa has a unique genetic structure. My personal belief is that Arika is descended from Alyssa. Alyssa's unique abilities though are probably genetically recessive.

Miyu, assuming she is the same one from My HiME, would have no trouble sensing if a child of Alyssa's bloodline was born with those abilities in a non recessive state. As such when this occurs Miyu would be sure to make her presence known to said child and would work to keep an eye on her and resume her, by this point, now eternal duty to protect Alyssa's lineage.

For the record I don't believe Miyu appears to every single child descended from Alyssa. She only makes her presence known to those with the potential to awaken Alyssa's special abilities or if the bloodline is reduced to only one member. The latter is obvious since Arika is more than likely the last surviving member of her family so that alone would be more than enough reason for Miyu to take up her duty once again.  Of course we must not forget that Arika's hair glowed in Miyu-vision... perhaps both possibilities have been met. Only time will tell.

Anyways enough of this


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: thepanda on March 09, 2006, 09:25:50 PM
Episode 22, or "The episode in which cool shit happens a lot."

Otome, you finally, FINALLY give me the zhime fights I've been longing to see. Sadly, its too late in the game for this series to become 'excellent', but at least it can finish 'good'.

Firstly, Miyu owns this show. I mean complete and uttterly outdoes both the mains, the villians, and everyone else ans she'd hardly even it in. This episode, though, shows why you don't fuck with the Merciful Intelligential Yggdrasil Unit! That antimaterializer sword in the deal breaker. Love the sword.


Secondly, that bitch Tomoe was soooooo close to getting hers. God damnit, Sergay, you ruin everything. >_< I need an animated gif of when the four 'dark otome' (for lack of a better word) get owned and Tomoe goes flying. I'd watch it loop for at least an hour, I was so happy.

Seriously, I don't see what the fandom likes about this character. I know the bloggerrs keep touting her as some kind of Shizuru mark 2, but I just don't see it. Shizuru was shown to be a likeable character normally. Tomoe is just plain batshit crazy. She doesn't even have the excuse of 'the  HIME star made her do it'. Tomoe fails it and I cannot wait to see her die die die DIE!

The cyborg crew finally show that they are in fact as badass as they were being hyped to be. Fia got owned something hard. >_>;

Go Midori-chan!

And finally, Mai and Mikoto sorta are back, kinda. Looks like the next episode focuses on them heavily, maybe exclusively. I'm torn about this. I wanted Mai back so very, very much, and yet she only really gets to take part in four episodes; and that is only true if she does take part in every one of the remaining eps. Mai, you got screwed, but I love that you're back. I wanna see you kick some ass! Show 'em how the HiMEs kick it, season one style, yo!

Ya dig?
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on March 10, 2006, 06:58:04 AM
Quote from: "thepanda"Episode 22, or "The episode in which cool shit happens a lot."

Otome, you finally, FINALLY give me the zhime fights I've been longing to see. Sadly, its too late in the game for this series to become 'excellent', but at least it can finish 'good'.

Heh. Can't say I disagree here. As much as I like Otome there's no denying that it's no HiME.

Quote from: "thepanda"Firstly, Miyu owns this show. I mean complete and uttterly outdoes both the mains, the villians, and everyone else ans she'd hardly even it in. This episode, though, shows why you don't fuck with the Merciful Intelligential Yggdrasil Unit! That antimaterializer sword in the deal breaker. Love the sword.


M.I.Y.U. is PWNAGE given pure kickass form. She owns on SO many levels. Oh and I dub the theme, Sei Otome no Inori, that plays when she goes all "You are now my bitch!" on Tomoe 'Miyu's Theme MkII'.

Quote from: "thepanda"Secondly, that bitch Tomoe was soooooo close to getting hers. God damnit, Sergay, you ruin everything. >_< I need an animated gif of when the four 'dark otome' (for lack of a better word) get owned and Tomoe goes flying. I'd watch it loop for at least an hour, I was so happy.

Heh. I made a clip of that just so I could watch the M.I.Y.U. ownage over and over again. That and the Mai/Mikoto first official appearance as well as the preview for 23. I could watch those scenes all day. @_@

Quote from: "thepanda"Seriously, I don't see what the fandom likes about this character. I know the bloggerrs keep touting her as some kind of Shizuru mark 2, but I just don't see it. Shizuru was shown to be a likeable character normally. Tomoe is just plain batshit crazy. She doesn't even have the excuse of 'the  HIME star made her do it'. Tomoe fails it and I cannot wait to see her die die die DIE!

I assure you that you are not the only one who dislikes her. I have no doubt that Tomoe's death will perfectly fit the cheap trash that she is... at least I hope so anyway. Although before she dies I want her to lose everything. Simply being killed is too good for her.

She should be made to suffer.

Quote from: "thepanda"The cyborg crew finally show that they are in fact as badass as they were being hyped to be. Fia got owned something hard. >_>;

Go Midori-chan!

And people were wondering how Midori-tachi could beat a Meister?

Fools.

People forget that one doesn't necessarily have to be stronger than one's opponent. They simply have to be smarter. Seriously what Midori did had the word TRAP blatantly spelled out in bright neon lights.

Otome Midori truly is the WIN. ^^

Quote from: "thepanda"And finally, Mai and Mikoto sorta are back, kinda. Looks like the next episode focuses on them heavily, maybe exclusively. I'm torn about this. I wanted Mai back so very, very much, and yet she only really gets to take part in four episodes; and that is only true if she does take part in every one of the remaining eps. Mai, you got screwed, but I love that you're back. I wanna see you kick some ass! Show 'em how the HiMEs kick it, season one style, yo!

Ya dig?

Yes I dig. I definitely dig! Oh and if it turns out that Mai is Arika's 'Obaachan', which I'm aware as very little chance of happening but I can hope right? ;_;, I shall be quite a happy man indeed. ^^


Sincerely,
Shuten

Edit: I've actually managed to find ONE good thing about Tomoe. She's voiced by Rie "Suigintou" Tanaka. This of course doesn't stop Tomoe from being a reprehensible character but at least she's voiced by someone who's a master of doing characters one loves to hate. Of course I'm disappointed I didn't notice sooner since I should've spotted the similarities between the way Tomoe and Suigintou, of Rozen Maiden,  sound. In fact I didn't even realise they were voiced by the same person until it was mentioned on another message board. -_-;
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on March 16, 2006, 04:48:56 PM
Quote from: "Shuten"Yes I dig. I definitely dig! Oh and if it turns out that Mai is Arika's 'Obaachan', which I'm aware as very little chance of happening but I can hope right? ;_;, I shall be quite a happy man indeed. ^^

Well I'm watching episode 23 raw as I write this and it's safe to say that this episode is the first episode where Mai and Arika meet period. Oh well can't everything I guess.

In all honesty my track record of guessing what comes next has been decidedly horrible. Anyways enough self pity! ;_;

As for the episode itself there are lots of revelations.

1) Miyu confirms that Arika really is the daughter of Rena Sayers and is not the Princess at all. In fact Miyu is the one who found Baby Arika in the first place.

2) Miyu protects Arika because she is a decendant of Alissa. This is the reason Arika's hair glows in what some call "Miyu-Vision". To put it simply this episode pretty much confirms beyond all reasonable doubt that My HiME and My Otome ARE directly connected.

3) Mikoto is Mai's Master. The reason she's not shown wearing the contract ring is... well I'll let you discover the reason for yourselves. It is definitely something Mikoto would do though. ^^;

4) Mikoto is a God.

5) Mikoto has a HiME Mark.

6) Mikoto is quite capable of making Arika her bitch with ridiculous ease. In fact she does it in this episode. ^^;

I would recommend taking some of this with a grain of salt. I don't understand japanese well enough that I can say with one hundred percent certainty that everything above is completely correct. Still I'm pretty sure it all is.

Anyways there are other things but I shall finish off with this.

Oshiete Mikoto-sensei! (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/epyonscythezero/misc/bscap000.jpg)


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: thepanda on March 16, 2006, 09:20:04 PM
I've just finished the episode 23 raw as well.

I think this episode proves without a shadow of a doubt that Mai > everyone else. Then again, that may simply be my fanboyism talking.

It felt so very, very good to see Mai and Mikoto and hear Mai Nakahara and Ai Shimizu again. I'd actually forgotten how close to the end of the show and how very little action had taken place within this episode until after I'd watched it. Good, solid stuff. The revelations were, well, revealed, I guess. >_>

It isn't as though they were great shockers, though the link between Mashiro and Fumi seems like an interesting plot point that won't get nearly the developement it deserves.

Was it just me or was Mai in the perfect "big sister" role this time around? She even got the best out-of-uniform outfit. I'm definately glad she didn't end up in Arika's short-short skirt deal.

As for the HiME mark... weren't they callinh her by the same title Mashiro had during Hime? I think it was the Obsidian Princess or something to that effect. It makes me wonder if this is a deliberate link between the two series or just another nod. You know, like the way the Black Valley landscape looks like Original Mikoto's element tore it up.

The next episode looks like Arika gets more training in. I'm wondering when those other pillars from the opening are going to show up. Hell, maybe they won't and we'll get a third season!

... What? Miracles do happen. And with Nina and that whole rather offputting pedo-loli-incest triangle pushed to the side the show has gotten a lot more watchable lately.

More to come once I see the episode subbed.
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on March 29, 2006, 04:00:51 PM
Just figured I'd note it here... apparently the 2006-05 issue of Megami Magazine (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/epyonscythezero/misc/4910086430560.jpg) is set to announce a four volume My Otome OVA series.

I demand that it be about the past of the My Otome world as told thru the eyes of Miyu! There's certainly more than enough material to work with anyway if you ask me. @_@


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: Shuten on June 17, 2006, 02:50:43 AM
May as well comment on the remainder of the series. Overall I enjoyed it. I do not think it has as many high points as it's predecessor, My HiME, but I honestly consider the series to be more solid overall in terms of its overall structure.

Anyways I recommend the series overall. It's not that great but it's hardly the worst thing in the world. I'd ultimately place it as slightly above average.


Sincerely,
Shuten
Title: My Otome Discussion Thread ~Spoilers~
Post by: thepanda on September 11, 2007, 05:56:55 AM
Just finished Zwei, which was about 100x more satisfying than the ending of the tv series.

They're going to milk the otome world for all its worth, but I can't really blame them. They didn't write themselves into a corner the way they did hime.

But I want more MAI! And Haruka.

I do wonder how closely this new series/ova is going to follow the Otome Destiny light novel. From the tiny little preview it looks like a prequel involving Arika's mother.

Also, Eris-chan nods all over the place! I burst out laughing in a dramatic moment because of the VA joke that got tossed in there. She didn't get killed off again, either!