This is a beauty, dontcha ya know it.
Evil Commentary Bureau versus Reviewer without Ethics, Part 1 (http://www.pishoque.net/soulriders/ECB%20Files/ECBvKthardin.txt)
Dracos
Sweet Jesus, I loved that. It was great all the way through, but when you told him to "get back in the kitchen, bitch", I thought I sprained something laughing.
This has Gone GOLD! Beautiful. It apparently was too much for K'thardin and his lackeys to take. It struck too close to the heart and drove them screaming back in terror. They deleted it on the board as their response...stating it was too harsh for them to handle.
It's beatiful. I almost feel obligated to start part two right away!
Fearless Leader
Yeah, I saw that. I'm wondering if anything will come out of Ginrai's second post.
On a related note, I did some reading on that board. There seems to be a good deal of resident anti Ranma sentiment there. I wonder how much(if any) that played into the PoE review.
Oh my....
Holy...
I'll even throw in an "Eww!!!" for good measure.
I just read the review... and the review of the review. After having read PoE a while ago (and loving it), and being a majority Ranma fanfic writer myself, I dearly hope that man never reads ANYTHING I've ever written.
I don't write reviews myself for a good reason... I have a hard time staying non-biased again certain elements. After reading that review, all I can say is that I sincerly wished other people had the same common sense and restraint that I do.
o_O
Truthfully, Tabyk, that was exactly my primary motivation in agreeing to select this. If you 'hate' Ranma, you shouldn't bother reviewing works derivated from Ranma. It's that simple. I would never review a sports game unless it somehow completely and utterly ensnared me....and even then I probably wouldn't because I wouldn't have the knowledge base to review it properly. To rip into Ranma and it's fandom, to use a fanfic as nothing more than a base for a rant on ubermains, is to show no respect to the author or the review you are writing.
Fearless leader
That was quite funny.
Glad ye enjoyed it Jivia. The next one in the series is already in the works.
Fearless Leader
HE RESPONDS... Truly, a brilliant a biting retort... ::Rolls eyes:: I must now hide under my blanket of fear from his terrifying response.
<Begin Stupid>
Well, I'll go ahead and point out the obvious first off, since the reviewer obviously missed it, or never came here at all (or never even HEARD of me...usually I'm referred to as 'that @#%$ prick,' but I digress.)
I'm an opinionated person. Not at all a nice guy. And in no way a reviewer who has an objective opinion. If a couple hundred reviews, a dozen or so rants, and Lord knows what else didn't demonstrate this point, then you might want to go back and reread them, as you obviously missed it the first time.
I don't like Ranma, I hate ubermains for the most part (except in series which don't take themselves seriously,) and I really don't like the Sasami/Tenchi pairing. Generally (not always, but generally) if you do one of the above, your fic will get blasted by me.
So a lot of that counter review (if you can even call it that) was little more than a bunch of uninformed ramblings of someone who really had no idea who he was talking about.
But that wasn't what I really wanted to talk about.
When you uhh...post a link to someplace you MIGHT want to make sure the content you are trying to advertise is there...and in a place where one doesn't have to go through a registration process to access it. At the point where people have to register just to see one thing (if it's even on that forum) they'll generally just take a walk, and not worry about it.
Just a suggestion.
<End Stupid>
Kind Fearless Leader
And let it not be said, that the victorious evil, seeing opening after opening was not merciful in declaring the one shot rule. For without it I should most certainly troll this fool to the death with ease.
*Begin ECB Response*
I love being proved right. And boy did this do it with FLYING COLORS. Truly an excellent morning laugh.
*Well, I'll go ahead and point out the obvious first off, *since the reviewer obviously missed it, or never came *here at all (or never even HEARD of me...usually I'm *referred to as 'that @#%$ prick,' but I digress.)
Oh, but you are mistaken poor K'thardin. I have heard of you. And even if I didn't, my ethics demand I do the minimal research of looking you up and studying you for a bit. So I know damn well you are an opinionated moron. Your brilliant rebuttal though leaves much to be desired...or would if I hadn't, through my study of you, come to expect such. ^^ Predictable thou are!
*If a couple hundred reviews, a dozen or so rants, and *Lord knows what else didn't demonstrate this point, *then you might want to go back and reread them, as *you obviously missed it the first time.
You know, I think you still don't get it. Somehow you think I'm actually trying to change your opinion or something. You are, most arrogantly, thinking that I truthfully CARE about any of these facts. Here, just to help you so you don't have to actually read all this boring text, as you've now shown on mulitiple occassions your inability to actually read through even a short piece of work without skimming over and seeing just what you WANT to see there ^^.
dracos.anifics.com/COR/point.jpg
*I don't like Ranma,
Really? Really?
ECB: Pardon? We might as well get this out of the way now.
ECB: "I am K'thardin the Anti-Ranma!"-K'thardin
You think I missed that in the ECB? Of course not! Far from it, it was a source of constant amusement. One who absolutely despises the main character on his own merits before even starting the fic provides such an excellent point of view to understand it from. It was laughed at and poked at several times within the ECB. But I guess you couldn't be bothered to read it.
* I hate ubermains for the most part (except in series *which don't take themselves seriously,)
That's cool and @#%$, except that by your definition of Ubermain being applied so 'freely' it's lost any meaning. If Ranma in that fic is an ubermain when pretty much every one of hundreds of characters are given plenty of screen time dedicated to their importance (even if, the story in general follows Ranma, him being well, the main character) then quite frankly any fic in which there is a main character at all qualifies for this definition. Anyhow, believe what you want. It only brings me more amusement.
* and I really don't like the Sasami/Tenchi pairing.
And this applies here how? The fic in question was a Ryoko+Ayeka/Tenchi pairing. Wow! You sound like you are trying to inform me about yourself. Why? Do you think I'm looking for incompetent recruits? I don't need your bloody resume on your biases. If I want it I can read it from the scarred corpse you call a review.
*Generally (not always, but generally) if you do one of *the above, your fic will get blasted by me.
Oooh, I can't wait. Someone quick, do an AU Tenchi fic that cameos Ranma in one scene as a background character, has Sasami as the same age as Tenchi when she first arrives, and revolves around the relationship between Tenchi and the new Sasami (paying perhaps twice or thrice as much attention to them then the other girls by writing it from Sasami's perspective). We can wait to see K'thardin rant and rave and STEAM over how utterly horrible this fic would certainly be before it is even written!
*So a lot of that counter review (if you can even call it *that) was little more than a bunch of uninformed *ramblings of someone who really had no idea who he *was talking about.
*LAUGHS* I'd use the sign again but it would probably be too much for you. Really, you did miss the point, by a large margin. Truly, you again show your inability to read through it... though, truthfully you never read it. How do I know you never read it? Because of how you worded your response, your failure to show up on my tracker, the fact you needed to head over there in the first place because your fast paced fellow mod deleted it fearing that you couldn't take the heat. So, your blustering is nothing more than the ravings of a fool, loud and boistorious...lacking any meaning. I mean, the 'counter-review' could entirely be a thousand lines saying "K'thardin is GOD!" and I could CLAIM THAT without you being able to intelligently contradict me.
*But that wasn't what I really wanted to talk about.
This shouuuuuld be good!
*When you uhh...post a link to someplace you MIGHT *want to make sure the content you are trying to *advertise is there...and in a place where one doesn't *have to go through a registration process to access it. *At the point where people have to register just to see *one thing (if it's even on that forum) they'll generally *just take a walk, and not worry about it. *LAUGHS*
It's an intelligence test K'thardin. The registration process takes less than 2 seconds to complete. It involves you punching in a user name and password and being brought right into the forum. Most do it only once as you can log on permanently. I've seen near completely computer illiterate people manage to accomplish this simple feat. So, why couldn't you? Besides that, outside of you I really didn't care if few read it or not. I got my amusement out of it. The other people who are relevent to the discussion all regularly head over to my forum to see those like you get ripped apart as I do in my idle hours. It was posted here, which should have been plenty sufficient to get to you, assuming you...are able to read what is on your own site? Whether you head over to mine is no concern of mine.
*Just a suggestion.
Heard and left without me caring. People come to my forum because they actually want to see the material. If they don't care enough or aren't smart enough to make their way to the material they want then I truthfully wish them good riddens anyways. Obviously, the hundreds who have already joined didn't find it that large a barrier to them reading what they wanted to see. Pity it was too much for your small mind to manage K'thardin.
Love, luck, and lollipops.
-Kind Fearless Leader
*End ECB Response*
RAWR!
Kind Fearless Leader
I wish SR had that rolling on the floor laughing smiley I used on K'Thardin's board, it's so needed right now.
I hear you. The funny never ends with this guy.
I can't wait until part 2 comes out. ^_^
I've never seen anyone so stupid. No amount of paint-chips or falling on his head could explain that amount of stupidity.
K'thadin has deleted his reply to Dracos, Dracos' response, and all other negative responses except Ginrai's and Jivia's.
Then he added two more posts trying to justify himself.
Truely pathetic.
Sorry, I hit post too soon. Lack of sleep and Christmas in retail are my excuses.
K'Thardin didn't delete his origonal reply to Dracos. It's still there, showing how clueless K'Thardin is. The rest of my previous message is accurate, though.
By the same token, I'd like to save my rebuttal to K'Thardin. Jivia, perhaps you should save your posts as well?
Well, I must say that I'm not surprised. I was hoping you'd have the balls to stand up and answer the posts, but instead I wake up to see that you deleted them. I won't go to the effort of calling you a sniveling coward, as your actions have branded you as one far more effectively than any word of mine could.
You know, despite how profoundly fucked up your PoE commentary was, I respected you. From what I had read on this board, you seemed like a decent, intelligent fellow. I felt you were misguided in one case, but not the normal idiocy laced garbage that populates vast sections of the internet. You have done a wonderful job in this topic of changing my mind.
I'm sorry, I mistook you for something that didn't suck. - Ladegard
Why, one wonders if they are the same person, and are only doing this to make it look like more people are on his side.
Now, I'm not one hundred percent sure about what exact powers a Administrator has on his EZ board, but IP addresses that posts come from are a rather common power. Also, that is a real nifty way to dispel any questions about that.
But hell, let's say that IP addresses aren't available to dispel any confusion. There is still something that should scream that all the people here are different, the writing styles used. It's like a fingerprint left around, and each poster's here is unique. That is more than sufficent evidence to logically eliminate the possiblity of one vengeful person out to get you.
Regardless of that, the fact that the accusation was made in the first place is saddening. To his attackers, K'Thardin spoke: "Bullies! You're just one mean guy in four sets of clothes!"
The previous posts have been deleted because again, the posters could not refrain from outright attacking myself in a place they have no power to do so.
Uh huh. Why not just admit you got your balls ripped off and stuffed down your throat instead? Is a psudeo power trip the only way you can hope to defend yourself, K'Thardin? Sure, the guise of deleting them for being 'offensive' may cut mustard with your toadies, but reality knows better; it knows your cowardice.
Now I don't mind actually debating with you, if that is indeed what you want. Yet you have twice now demonstrated a complete lack of civility on my board.
For some reason, that damned Golden Rule keeps popping into my head. Do unto others as you would do unto you, I believe it is. It is absurd to expect civility when your actions when and pissed on the face of a great author. I really don't think you want to debate with us, at any rate. It's clear that we are in the right, and deleting posts under the guise of 'civility' is the only way to preserve your ego.
And yes, I feel we were more than civil.
I have no desire to converse or even try to justify myself (not that I owe you or anyone else justification) to a person (and possibly others...or are they the same person?) whose only goal seems to be to attack me outright.
Again with the shallow and weak conspiracy accusations. But, let's ignore that blathering, it's already been debunked. Now, when you submit an opinion to the reading world at large, it is only logical to expect that someone will disagree with it. Yes, you could say that you feel no need to defend it while people turn it into cat litter. You have shown that superbly. Yes, you can claim that it's just a scary, one person conspiracy to pick on you.
It proves that your a raving, gutless idiot, but hey. It's your right to do so.
I understand, you find me a disreputable sort. In fact, you might even despise me to the point of praying for my slow death.
Heh, you wish. I pity your weakness and blatantly displayed fear. But despise you? Ha. I merely pity fools.
Everyone who has read your post understands that, if nothing else...assuming they could understand your 'counter review' as it contained various points that completely contridict itself or were outright falsehoods within the context presented, but I guess I'm digressing again.
About the ECB. Now, if you actually commented on some of these alleged contradictions, your words might hold weight. Instead, you hint at errors while doing nothing to back up the claim. I think Kind Fearless Leader is correct in his assessment that you have not even bothered to read the ECB. You are doing your damnest to sneer at it while showing no evidence you have read it. Funny, really, strawman.
I'll give you one last shot, since you seem to have some kind of real grievance here, and I can respect that...if nothing else. If you outright attack me again, as I suspect you will, I'll ban you.
MOMMY! Get rid of the mean old boys! I can't defend myself against logic and truth! WAHHHH! - K'Thardin.
After that, I'll probably never think of you again...not that you ever held more than a fleeting place in my thoughts.
Back to denial...Lovely state for you to be in. And I'm sure we all just weep that we aren't in your wretched thoughs, K'Thardin.
I'll leave the second post for the people it was addressed to, I should share the wealth of idiot slaying, after all. :)
Oh, and when your finger hovers over the delete post option, K'Thardin, just take a moment to drink in your bloody cowardice. I'm sure you won't have the balls to do anything to say to this except to bitch and moan about how I'm flaming you.
Here's my first post(with civility):
Rather than enjoy a given fic for it's merits and actually reading the fic in question, as a reviewer, you defame it unabashedly.
You're not a nice guy? Neither am I, but that's hardly the point. I suppose no one has informed you of a little thing that's somewhat necessary to have when you review material: ethics...well Dracos tried to, but you seemed to have ignored such messages and one could hardly call him subtle.
You see, despite you're small sphere of influence(I use this term loosely), you still affect the opinions of many people. You taint them. With a subjective review, they are given what you BELIEVE rather than what you READ. You give them something that is unpure, diluted, and downright disgusting. Chewing it unendingly then presenting the regurgitated mass as a review is hardly fair to the author of the piece of fiction.
You repeatedly state that you hate Ranma...well, if you detest the character so much, why review a x-over with said character included? State to me, on no uncertain terms, why you MUST read a piece of fiction involving Ranma, much less, review it? So you can narrow an already small audience of a budding author? In any case, stay as you are if you wish. Respect is over-rated, afterall.
Here's my 2nd post(no civility):
"I almost deleted your post. But, you have one or two points I feel the need to address."
I was hardly uncivil and there was no instance of personal attack in said post. So, on that note, I shall try one more time and because of you're questionable and flexible views on civility, I shall refrain from being civil myself.
"You seem to think I have any control over what people believe. I do not. People choose to believe what they want. If they agree with me, well, they agree with me. But I don't force them too. If they don't agree with me, then more power to them. Welcome to the United States of America. Land where you CAN disagree with everyone else, and be just as equal as they are."
What does this have to do with ethics?! Are you so dense that one has to repeatedly slam you into the point? Again, your actions do affect a small sphere. Ignorance breeds ignorance, as they say. A fanfiction author has an already small audience without you narrowing it futher.
"If you want an unbiased review, YOU @#%$ WRITE IT!"
Do you actually read and/or review your thoughts and statements? That is one of the most ignorant statements I've read. Yes, I could write a review, but I'm not egocentric enough to really care to. Why? I don't crave attention, I don't crave the adulation of the misinformed and unwashed masses, and I most certainly don't have the free time to invest in such an endeavor, especially just to rebutt your smut.
"Don't come crying to me because I'm not doing something you like...I don't care about what you think I should be doing."
Crying?! HAHA!!! I wasn't crying, I was trying to enlighten you, you ignorant sod. Pardon me for ignoring all facts clearly showing that you LIKE being insipid and shallow.
"As for the rest, I suppose I could answer you. However, you seem to be under the misconception that I somehow OWE you an explanation. I owe who I feel I owe...and you're just not one of them. So I'm not going to give you one."
Look over there, that's the point...but guess what?! You are no where near it! I was trying to get you to THINK, something you don't seem to like to do. What's the point of reading something you know you don't like? Dogs have more sense than that, as Pavlov has shown. I knew the why, you like the attention your rants present before you...I was merely giving you the benefit of the doubt, hoping that you aren't on of the unwashed masses...I was wrong. Go back to your fantasy world, little boy...Respect AND intelligence are over-rated, afterall.
I was looking for this, but I couldn't find it until I drudged it up in my active posts. I noticed a few topics like that. Is it a side effect of all the server shenanigans?
Anyhow, K'Thardin's review page is down for renovations. Might be interesting to see the updated product.
Updated. ECB readded.
Dracos