Latha's sunrise (Moore and Tryll; 84 days left)

[Anastasia]

Okay, you're getting a new thread. This one stays open for now for Yuth.

[Yuthirin]

This post has been removed to the Nagging thread now that it's finished.

[Anastasia]

Hit Points

The base creature gains maximum hit points per hit die, as well as an additional 12 hit points per hit die.

Read this carefully, Yuth. It's maximum HP per HD AND +12 hit points per hit die, not all hit dice become d12s.

[Yuthirin]

Whoops! That's what I get for trying to work and write up a sheet at the same time.

Pretty sure I also emailed a copy of my sheet to a customer today, too.

[Anastasia]

Scary. So are you done now?

[Yuthirin]

I think so. Just need to pound out that Paragon's Skill. Did you want to do a sheet audit?

[Anastasia]

Yes, but not right now. Go ahead and work on paragon's skill, post what you do with it in here. See nagging, posted about it there too.

[Yuthirin]

Alright, so the irrigo are all naturally psionic creatures. We'll start there.

He possesses a few racial abilities, including:Telekinetic Force, Hide Mind, Darkvision, a natural melee attack, Assume Likeness, Telepathy, and incorporeality.

Telekinetic Force is currently the only racial PLA that Tryll possesses, and it's used in lieu of hands. It's essentially a more precise Telekinesis spell. It's not even really a PLA; it's a psionic power that's baked in as a racial ability and can be used both indefinitely and at will. It's very much a utility power with extremely few offensive uses.

Expansion Ideas: Telekinetic Maneuver?

Hide Mind is a racial ability that prevents the irrigo from being detected as psionic. It's 100% passive utility, and its utility is dubious.

Expansion Ideas: Mind Blank?

Darkvision allows the irrigo to clearly see in the dark, up to 60 feet away.

Expansion Ideas: Ultravision? Ubiquitous Vision? Some sort of improvement thereof?

The melee attack does what it says on the box, with a twist. It's a touch attack that deals 1d6 damage as "incorporeal touch." I'm assuming this is similar to damage done by other incorporeal creatures in that it is disruption damage.

Expansion Ideas: Damage step up? Touch converts damaged tissue and inorganic material to water?

Assume Likeness is essentially a disguise ability, focusing on utility. It allows the unbodied to take the shape of any creature small, medium, or large by compressing or expanding its essence and filling in the color. It's only a cosmetic disguise, though. No additional abilities, attacks, or powers are gained.

Expansion Ideas: Shapeshift? Let's not. Not sure.

Telepathy allows the irrigo to communicate mentally with any creature within 100ft.

Expansion Ideas: ??

Incorporeal form is one of the best defensive measures in the game, and is tremendously powerful on its own.

Expansion Ideas: Shadowed Body?

Pure SLA/PLAs

Expansion Ideas: Correspond, Read Thoughts at will, Psychometry 3/day, Retrieve 1/day

[Anastasia]

Alright, so the irrigo are all naturally psionic creatures. We'll start there.

He possesses a few racial abilities, including:Telekinetic Force, Hide Mind, Darkvision, a natural melee attack, Assume Likeness, Telepathy, and incorporeality.

Telekinetic Force is currently the only racial PLA that Tryll possesses, and it's used in lieu of hands. It's essentially a more precise Telekinesis spell. It's not even really a PLA; it's a psionic power that's baked in as a racial ability and can be used both indefinitely and at will. It's very much a utility power with extremely few offensive uses.

Expansion Ideas: Telekinetic Maneuver?

Makes sense.

Hide Mind is a racial ability that prevents the irrigo from being detected as psionic. It's 100% passive utility, and its utility is dubious.

Expansion Ideas: Mind Blank?

Depends on how much oomph you wanna spend there. Could just be upgraded to nondetection or something similar, but you're on the right track.

Darkvision allows the irrigo to clearly see in the dark, up to 60 feet away.

Would probably just be doubled.

The melee attack does what it says on the box, with a twist. It's a touch attack that deals 1d6 damage as "incorporeal touch." I'm assuming this is similar to damage done by other incorporeal creatures in that it is disruption damage.

Expansion Ideas: Damage step up? Touch converts damaged tissue and inorganic material to water?

Damage stepping up would be the most logical.

Assume Likeness is essentially a disguise ability, focusing on utility. It allows the unbodied to take the shape of any creature small, medium, or large by compressing or expanding its essence and filling in the color. It's only a cosmetic disguise, though. No additional abilities, attacks, or powers are gained.

Expansion Ideas: Shapeshift? Let's not. Not sure.

If it's x number of times per day, make it at will. Otherwise depends on what you do with it.

Telepathy allows the irrigo to communicate mentally with any creature within 100ft.

Expansion Ideas: ??

Range increase. If you look at most devils and other creatures with telepathy and one side of racial hit dice, the range increases in epic. Usually to 200ft at level 21 and with possible upgrades later depending on how high they go. Darkvision usually gets doubled in range at 21 for the same logic.

Incorporeal form is one of the best defensive measures in the game, and is tremendously powerful on its own.

Expansion Ideas: Shadowed Body?

If it's just the incorporeal subtype, I wouldn't change it (unless it's some sort of paragon's gift new ability thing. That's not really what paragon's gift is aimed for, even though the SRD sometimes includes incorporeal traits in special qualities.

Pure SLA/PLAs

Expansion Ideas: Correspond, Read Thoughts at will, Psychometry 3/day, Retrieve 1/day

Stuff like that's fine as long as it's on theme. Gathgorian has an expanded SLA selection, many epic outsiders I do get the same, even before something like the paragon template comes into play.

In some ways, this part of the paragon template is like upgrading an epic level creatures with one side of racial hit dice. Usually all the old abilities take a step up. Same principle.

[Anastasia]

That being said, if you wanna latch onto something and really put some oomph into it (ala Gathgorian's aura), that's fine. I'm just assuming you don't for any of these for the sake of easy replies. If you do on an ability, then this goes out the window for that ability.

[Yuthirin]

Telekinetic Force is currently the only racial PLA that Tryll possesses, and it's used in lieu of hands. It's essentially a more precise Telekinesis spell. It's not even really a PLA; it's a psionic power that's baked in as a racial ability and can be used both indefinitely and at will. It's very much a utility power with extremely few offensive uses.

Expansion: Instead of using a measured amount of force, Tryll can choose to cleverly apply overwhelming strength in battle. Once per encounter as a standard action, Tryll can use mental force to imitate the Telekinetic Maneuver against another creature. Treat this power as having been augmented to his current manifester level. This power cannot be augmented further.

Hide Mind is a racial ability that prevents the irrigo from being detected as psionic. It's 100% passive utility, and its utility is dubious.

Expansion: This ability expands, adding the effects of the Nondetection spell.

Darkvision allows the irrigo to clearly see in the dark, up to 60 feet away.

Expansion: Double the range of darkvison to 120ft.

The melee attack does what it says on the box, with a twist. It's a touch attack that deals 1d6 damage as "incorporeal touch." I'm assuming this is similar to damage done by other incorporeal creatures in that it is disruption damage.

Expansion Ideas: Damage step up to 1d8? That's only one step.

Assume Likeness is essentially a disguise ability, focusing on utility. It allows the unbodied to take the shape of any creature small, medium, or large by compressing or expanding its essence and filling in the color. It's only a cosmetic disguise, though. No additional abilities, attacks, or powers are gained.

Expansion Ideas: Not sure what to do here. All ideas are wither illusion-based or look like Polymorph. Leave as is? Maybe allow to take multiple forms at once, like two creatures?

Telepathy allows the irrigo to communicate mentally with any creature within 100ft.

Expansion: Expanded range, at least doubled. Tripled for the Triune?

Incorporeal form is one of the best defensive measures in the game, and is tremendously powerful on its own.

Expansion: Not changing the incorporeality, per say, but what about altering the deflection bonus that comes along with it? Allowing the deflection bonus to also factor into saves.

Pure SLA/PLAs

Expansion Ideas: Correspond, Crystal Shard, Read Thoughts at will. Demoralize, Psychometry 3/day. Retrieve 1/day.



Most of the abilities don't necessarily lend themselves to the "souping up" that Gathgorian got, so here's my thoughts on a sample:

Name: Gift of the Triune, The Rules of Three, Boon of Three Faces
Flavor: The will of the Triune manifests in Tryll, granting him a pool of power unrestricted by mortal constraints.
Description: Tryll has a secondary pool of power points equal to (3 x 3 ability scores. The highest, middle, and lowest are used.) These points are not subject to the restrictions set by manifester level and can be applied any time an augmented power is manifested.

For example, if Tryll's manifester level is 29, he can normally augment powers up to a total limit of 29 power points. Using points from this secondary pool, he can exceed this limit.

Due to the nature of this gift, the points from this secondary pool do not refresh at the normal rate. Points are refreshed every third day from the inception of this power's creation.

[Anastasia]

All of those look reasonably fine, so roll with it.

Not sure about that other power, probably not since it quickly becomes a no limit nova thing.

[Yuthirin]

Open to suggestions.

[Anastasia]

Let me think about it, I'll get back to you in a little bit.

[Yuthirin]

Sure. Literally no rush.