304 FINAL: Additional Debating Time

[Itarien]

Any player may nominate that the debate time for a proposal be extended in that proposals debating period. To successfully extend the debating period more than 50% of all players must post their agreement to the extension. At the end of the initial 48 hour debating period the proposal moves into "Special Development Phase 1" (SDP1). At this point the proposing players turn ends without a final draft, voting and allocation of points. The next player in the cycle has 48 hours to submit their draft proposal and the order of play continues as normal while the proposal in special development phases is developed parallel to the order of play.

SPD1 lasts for 48 hours. In SDP1 any player may nominate that the proposal in SDP1 move into "Special Development Phase 2" (SDP2) at the end of SDP1. To move into SDP2 requires more than 50% of all players to post their agreement with the SDP2 request.

SDP2 lasts for 48 hours. In SDP2 any player may nominate that the proposal in SDP2 move into "Special Development Phase 3" (SDP3) at the end of SDP2. To move into SDP3 requires more than 2/3 of all players to post their agreement with the SDP3 request. SDP3 lasts for 48 hours. Proposals may not be extended beyond SDP3.

When further time extensions requests are denied or at the end of SDP3 the normal phases of the turn occur (submittion of a final draft, voting and point allocation). This rule takes precedence over rule 201 and 202 where applicable. Point allocation delayed by special development phases is not retroactive.

Proposals in SDP1, SDP2 and SDP3 are subject to the voting conditions in place when the draft of the proposal was submitted. Proposals must obey all current rules.

[SuperusSophia]

hmmmm.... I guess it osunds good to me.  I vote yes.

[quintopia]

i'm confused about something.  I'm not asking you to change your proposal, I just want some clarification before I vote.  When a proposal enters each of SDP1, SDP2, and SDP3, will new porposals be allowed to be drafted/voted upon at the beginning of each of these time periods.  I think that's what you mean by "in parallel to the normal cycle of turns," but I am unsure.  You may answer here or in a PM or IM, however you feel necessary, but until I receive clarification, I abstain.

[CasualSax]

From what I understand, in parrellel means that the next proposal starts its own cycle.  With further delays with SDP2 and SDP3, this would seriously, seriously destroy the order of enactment of proposals - which simply isn't stated.  This problem would further be compacted by allowing debate to be extended with only three people required to extend the debate - and nothing is said that a majority may stop such a process from happening.

This rule also needs to state that it takes prevelance over 201 and 202, where applicable.

For these reasons, I veto.  I will change my vote if changes are made to my satisfaction.

[Itarien]

I'll post here so theres a clarification for all.

The proposal delayed by special development phases comes into force as per the rules, when voting the is complete or all votes are tallied. It can't come into effect retroactively because thats against the rules. It cannot be retroactive as thats against the rules.  I've edited the final draft so that it reads that the voting conditions when the rule was first proposed must be obeyed but all other rules enacted while in the special development phase must be obeyed. Also a majority is needed for a proposal to enter SDP1

When the initial debate time ends SDP1 can come into play on a proposal (Proposal A, posted by player A) and player B has 48 hours to submit a proposal (proposal B).

By in parallel to the normal cycle of turns I mean consider that players turn ended at the end of their standard debate phase (if their proposal is going to move into SDP1) and the next player starts their turn.

A majority against time a time extension is a good idea, you should have mentioned it earlier.


Assuming that the full time allocated for a phase elapses, heres a schedule of what should happen:

Proposal A enters SDP1, player B has 48 hours to submit a draft of proposal B.

Proposal A enters SDP2, proposal B posted and it enters its debate phase.

Proposal A enters SDP3, player B has 24hours to submit final draft.

SDP3 halfway over, PlayerB submits final draft, 24 hours of voting on proposal B comence.

SDP3 finishes, Player A has 24 hours to post a final draft. Voting on proposal B complete. Player C begins their turn.

Player A posts the final form of the proposal and Player C posts their draft of proposal C.

Half way through proposal C's debate time voting closes on proposal A.

[Rye Coal]

I didn't see the original final draft but as it reads now it looks good to me.

One thing to note about bookkeeping: We will need to strike though the text of rules being amended and note which changes are made when, in the event of conflict.

Approved

[tinuviel]

I approve.

[CasualSax]

I approve now.

Things that still should be changed:  make it read 50% of all votes cast - so that it can be extended even if only six people are voting.  No need to be that conservative.

Thanks for making the changes I suggested.

[quintopia]

approved.

[Carthrat]

I don't think that should be changed, Lord High Poomba CasualSax. I want it to be difficult to extend time, not easier. :/

I guess it'll do for now. I hope not to see much use of it. Approved.

[Leus]

I approve.

[quintopia]

we are waiting on rez, rev, and itarien.  c'mon, man, approve your own proposal. . .

[CasualSax]

Actually, voting is closed.

[quintopia]

the vote was not unanimous.  three did not vote and did not abstain.

[CasualSax]

There were no "negatives," if you have a dispute about this proposal passing, take it up with the judge on the Game Discussion board.