DRAFT: Proposal 308 Define: Turns and Judgment Freezing

[Rye Coal]

Purpose: To close the grey areas exposed by recent events.

Rule 202 shall be amended to read... (changes in Italics)

202. One turn consists of five phases in this order: (1) proposing one rule-change, (2) time allocated for debate, (3) Final version of the proposal, (4) voting period, (5) calculation of the results and resolution of the proposal, (6) Scoring, by subtracting 291 from the ordinal number of the proposal and multiplying the result by the fraction of favourable results it received, rounded to the nearest integer.

Turns shall be considered finished with the completion of phase four as phases five and six are not dependant upon the player to complete

(1) A person has 24 hours from ( strike ) the beginning of their ( /strike) the end of the previous player's turn to post the draft of their proposal, otherwise their turn is forfeited and they lose fifty points. All draft proposals must be posted in the first post of their own unique thread on the forum, with said thread title including the word 'DRAFT' at the beginning, the draft proposal number and the title of the proposal, all clear and distinct.

(2) Once the proposal has been posted, other players have between 24 and 48 hours to engage in debate over the proposal. This time for debate may be ended by the proposer after 24 hours have passed it is automatically ended once 48 hours have passed or when all players have stated they have nothing to add.

(3) After debate has closed, the player must submit the final version of their proposal (in it's own distinct thread, clearly labelled with proposal number and title) within 24 hours, or they lose twenty points and the draft form of their proposal is considered the submission of the final version.


(4) Once the final version of the proposal is submitted, all players have 24 hours to register their votes.


(5) Once all players have voted, or the 24 hour voting period is ended, the votes are calculated   strike by the judge   /strike and the results of the vote are put into force (if applicable)

(6) Once phase five is complete, the score is tabulated and updated   strike by the judge,   /strike and the turn is ended

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This is more text to be inserted into rule 202
Upon the competion of Rye Coal's first turn Rule 212 shall be edited to  read

212. If players disagree about the legality of a move or the interpretation or application of a rule, then the player preceding the one moving is to be the Judge and decide the question. Disagreement for the purposes of this rule may be created by the insistence of any player. This process is called invoking Judgment. As Multiple Players may be procedeing with their respective turns at any given time the invokee must explicitly state which turns the Request is in regards to. In the event that there are multiple turns to which the Request applies the Judge shall be the last player to complete thier turn.

When Judgment has been invoked, the next player may not begin his or her turn without the consent of a majority of the other players. All turns already in progress may contiunue unto competion.

The Judge's Judgment may be overruled only by a unanimous vote of the other players taken before the next turn is begun. If a Judge's Judgment is overruled, then the player preceding the Judge in the playing order becomes the new Judge for the question, and so on, except that no player is to be Judge during his or her own turn or during the turn of a team-mate.

Unless a Judge is overruled, one Judge settles all questions arising from the game until the next turn is begun, including questions as to his or her own legitimacy and jurisdiction as Judge.

New Judges are not bound by the decisions of old Judges. New Judges may, however, settle only those questions on which the players currently disagree and that affect the completion of the turn in which Judgment was invoked. All decisions by Judges shall be in accordance with all the rules then in effect; but when the rules are silent, inconsistent, or unclear on the point at issue, then the Judge shall consider game-custom and the spirit of the game before applying other standards.

[Rye Coal]

Changes:

The begining and end of a players turns have been clearly difined and limited to those actions which they control. As we will have no consistant judge phases five and six have been edited to reflect the fact that there is no judge to tally and score. Which turns are frozen and which ones are not frozen is clearly defined.

Loop hole that remains: Judgment may be called, a majority vote allows the next player to go and the judge is no longer able to settle disputes.

Some of you may be concerned because this involves changing two rules. Technically this will only change the text of rule 202. Rule 202 will change Rule 212 of its own accord. See rule 115.

[SuperusSophia]

As opposed as I normally am to using that rule to effect multiple rules in one proposal, I think it is warranted in this case.

I have to problems with the proposal, but I have a feeling other players either no longer care and/or have left entirely.

[Itarien]

I agree, we need to get that rule hole fixed. At first glance it looks good and I can't think of anythign to suggest but then again I've only just woken up. :)

[Rezantis]

You're editing two rules at once.  I know why you're doing it and agree that it's rpobably a good idea, but if we're getting back into the game I don't want us to get into the habit of ignoring the rules whenever we see fit - it's kinda contrary to the point of the game.

Edit one or the other, and trust someone else to follow up on it.

[Rezantis]

OK.  Having spoken to Rye over AIM I note that this is, IMO, permissible or a grey area with regards to legality.

Grey area is something I'm willing to let pass.  Objection withdrawn.

[SuperusSophia]

well, its been 24 hours swince this turn officially began, and I don't see anyone who is opposed to the proposal, so Charr rye, you can probably send this straight to the final vote to save time....

[SuperusSophia]

actually, not since it officially began, but since it could begin, so yeah....