Fate/Stay Night Discussion Topic ~Spoilers~

[Dracos]

You mean you don't, Kwoky?

Dracos

[Kwokinator]

I don't speak Japanese ;_;

[Dracos]

Damned be reality! =P

Dracos

[Shuten]

I'm informed that the title for ep 14 or so is "Unlimited Bladeworks", so they might not stick to the 'Fate' scenario alone (... I hope.  I really really hope.  UBW Archer/Shirou interaction makes Shirou a much better character).

Mwahahahahahaha!  And your hopes are crushed and ground to dust!

^_^

Actually according to spoilers I've seen elements of UBW might not be completely out of the running just yet. In fact it would appear that the series is heading towards an original ending using elements from all three story arcs.

With that in mind I DEMAND Shirou/Saber versus Gilgamesh & Rin versus Dark Sakura! @_@


Sincerely,
Shuten

[Dracos]

But sakura is so nice!

Dracos

[Shuten]

But sakura is so nice!

Actually considering some of the stuff she goes thru in the game the fact that she's "nice" at all is truly a miracle. ^^;


Sincerely,
Shuten

[Liddo-kun]

Actually according to spoilers I've seen elements of UBW might not be completely out of the running just yet. In fact it would appear that the series is heading towards an original ending using elements from all three story arcs.

I know.  I was thinking the exact same thing when I was watching the latest episode.  It looks like they're trying to fudge in the UBW storyline -- foreshadowing in the new OP animation sequence?

I don't quite see where you're getting the hints of Heaven's Feel though.

With that in mind I DEMAND Shirou/Saber versus Gilgamesh & Rin versus Dark Sakura! @_@

For a quick sec there, I read that as Shiro and Saber take on Gilgamesh and Rin who are also fighting Dark Sakura.

[Shuten]

Actually according to spoilers I've seen elements of UBW might not be completely out of the running just yet. In fact it would appear that the series is heading towards an original ending using elements from all three story arcs.

I know.  I was thinking the exact same thing when I was watching the latest episode.  It looks like they're trying to fudge in the UBW storyline -- foreshadowing in the new OP animation sequence?

I don't quite see where you're getting the hints of Heaven's Feel though.

The hints are hard to spot but it has to do largely with the way Sakura and Rin interact with each other. F/SN is definitely one of those series where things happen for a reason. I refuse to believe that the awkward scenes between the two mean nothing.

That and Sakura's one of the main "heroines" anyway. Even if no element of "Heavens Feel" makes it in it would be stupid not to do anything with her character. In fact at the very least stuff will be happening with her. Deen has apparently made it quite clear they plan on giving Sakura more screentime.

I just hope that she doesn't end up as little more than the Classic Damsel in Distress type character. She deserves FAR better than that.

Unfortunately I'm starting to worry more and more that it might end up that way. >_<

With that in mind I DEMAND Shirou/Saber versus Gilgamesh & Rin versus Dark Sakura! @_@

For a quick sec there, I read that as Shiro and Saber take on Gilgamesh and Rin who are also fighting Dark Sakura.

I see. o_O;


Sincerely,
Shuten

[Dracos]

It's going to be odd if they bring her back in really after what feels like ten eps of absence.  Especially with a fair deal of the holy war still 'out of view'.

So far, we're aware of two servant/masters out of the running as of ep 15.  Giglamesh still hasn't shown up?

Anyhow, 15 was neater than I was expecting, though I hope they don't wipe out Rin.  With one servant and rin and him, it's got a more balanced feel to it.  Shirou is also starting to grow more to his own.  The wishywashness of the past eps isn't being shown and he's holding pretty nicely to the resolutions we saw earlier now.  I like that.  It makes him a far more enjoyable main.

Dracos

[Sunhawk]

I'm informed that the title for ep 14 or so is "Unlimited Bladeworks", so they might not stick to the 'Fate' scenario alone (... I hope.  I really really hope.  UBW Archer/Shirou interaction makes Shirou a much better character).

Mwahahahahahaha!  And your hopes are crushed and ground to dust!

^_^

Eh, donno.  I can't remember the episode number, but I remember SOMEONE saying there was an episode called that.  I remain optimistic, my hopes uncrushed ^_^

[Dracos]

Well, given they added him to the opener after his death sort of hints they're not done with him.

Dracos

[Shuten]

For the record episode 14's title was "The Ideal Conclusion".

Episode titles.


Sincerely,
Shuten

[Dracos]

So watched sixteen last night.  Neat, but sort of anticlimatic way of ending that fight scene.  They could, and should, have gone through with the dramatic battle using the sword rather than the single blow.

The end was meh.  I suspect it's one of the other stories?  We've still not seen gilgamesh.

We've got Lancer, Archer, Berserker, Assassin, Caster, Rider, Saber.

So that's seven, of which 3 (Rider, Berserk, Lancer) are dead.  About right for halfway through the series, I suppose, and better than before, but at the same time...it's a little weak that we're seeing no conflict between the others and no 'deaths' happening on the other sets.  Not even off camera references, given there were opening bits indicating the fighting had already started.  They kind of needed some cast flex room for others to kill things so it's not all saber.  It just doesn't really well...the aura of menace from the others is wussy given they've got zero kills under their belt and have basically been sitting low the entire time.  It's particularly odd with assassin.  They probably have a reason for it, but it leaves it feeling less like a war and more like 'everyone versus saber'.

 And I don't know why they pulled Ilya over except to keep her on camera.  The lack of background cast for her is starting to show as none of her minders are at all present.

Dracos

[Merc]

You made a typo. Lancer is alive, Archer's the one who's apparently bit it. Although as mentioned, the new OP does hint that they're not done with him. I actually do think he died, however when Shirou manages to unlock the UBW reality marble, he'll find himself fighting a guardian which will essentially be Archer. Something like that.

I'd like to note on your reference of off cast happenings, that you have to remember that if 3 are dead, there are only four left: Lancer, Saber, Caster, and Assassin. Saber we follow. Caster and Assassin are working together and they mention the fact that the only threats left are Saber and Lancer. They've been cautious and skulking about outside of the battlefield, or at least trying to. Lancer is also being cautious with his actions, though that's been referenced as more due to his master than his own choice, as seen when he fought Saber. He was willing to see things through, but his master wished for him to not drag things onward. So you've got three sides, of which two were essentially holding back and watching as things progressed with the development of Saber in the scene, and then Berserker, before they'd take action. Now that Berserker is gone and they've observed Saber, at least one side is willing to start putting into action their plans.

On Assassin's reasons for not moving, that's because his master asked him to stay and guard the gates to the temple I believe. That way the master will be protected, though Rider managed to penetrate it briefly while Assassin was occupied with Saber. It might also have to do with the energy concentration mentioned around the temple grounds. Considering who his master is, and that in ep 16 we learned Caster's own master isn't a magician, they're probably in a situation similar to Saber with Shirou, so they need to conserve their own energy.

On Ilya, yeah, it is a bit weak, and mostly just to appease fans, I suppose. Part of the reason though, is that there are masters/servants willing to go after masters without servants. Either to kill them, or in the case of servants, sometimes to bond with them. This way they can keep an eye on her, and Shirou being a dope, also does sort of like the girl, just thinks she hasn't been taught a whole lot of moral lessons, but thinks he's up for the job. But essentially, it's to keep her from getting into trouble.

Now why she doesn't just leave the country... well, who knows... ^_^

[Dracos]

True, I did.  Sorry, I typed that fast before heading off to chaos day.

Essentially, that's what I mean.  As a war, it lacks mooks to be part of demonstrating the badassness.  I dunno..  I recognize what they were doing, it just felt like it was too cut and dry how they did it in light of the fact that there was supposed to be both drainings and fights going on before it.

Additionally, it's getting odd with how many masters aren't 'really magicians', given what they've said of the war.  It should be a very strong majority, yet outside of Shirou's 'i  know nothing', we have shinji who barely has any (but at least is a magician in some sense), Ilya who isn't one yet has a super magic seal(?) and can hypnotize (odd given she's said she's not one), and now caster's?  I dunno...  I just think it's an odd decision that clashes a bit with the setting.  Most of them should be magi as the whole summoning thing was originally placed as a great magical feat or whatnot.  If Assassins master is not a real magician then we're looking at only Rin of the cast that can do any of the real magic that she indicates most magicians should be able to do.  Yes, she's supposed to be really good at it, but it's just  odd overall a bit.  Not show breaking odd but...  just sort of 'why are we seeing no magical side  to this getting played?'

Ilya, my problem isn't so much with them watching over her, but that she established earlier that she has minders which look after her during her trip here.  These people have not only never shown up but now been aggressively ignored.  Shirou's a ctions seem reasonable enough.  It's just for them it seems like they're slicing off her background to encourage 'haremville in shirou manor'.

Dracos