Fate/Stay Night Discussion Topic ~Spoilers~

[Merc]

Technically speaking, Caster's master is the only master who's really not a magician period. He lacks magical ability in its entirety.

Shirou can cast reinforcement magic and his main problem is he was never really trained as a magician.

Ilya is definitely a magician, and one of high caliber. She just prefers to let Berserker do the maiming and powers her mana into him.

Shinji is from a family of magicians at least, so he had access to the rituals and some limited magic, as you said.

Assassin's and Lancer's masters we don't know the identity of (well, unless you know spoilers =p), but they really are magicians.

So essentially Caster's master is the only one who can't do magic or knows much about magic either. Then again, considering Caster is a magician servant, does he really need to? ^_^

[Dracos]

I agree with your analysis of Ilya, but I recall her saying she wasn't a magician in it.  I mean more, there's been a decisive lack of on screen magic-fu feeling from the masters.  No sense of expertise at all from anyone but Rin.

Though yes, I expect Lancers to be so.

Dracos

[thepanda]

Episode 17 is excellent. Now THAT is how you are supposed to pace an episode. I'm no longer sure which path they plan to take now, but I guess if a certain golden warrior shows up next episode...

[Liddo-kun]

Episode 17 is excellent. Now THAT is how you are supposed to pace an episode. I'm no longer sure which path they plan to take now, but I guess if a certain golden warrior shows up next episode...

YES!!

And that's when Gilgamesh's contract is unexpectedly cancelled by Caster and re-forged with a shocked and an unwilling Shiro!  Then in an oddly uncharacteristic move Gilgamesh's mana level dips to dangerous levels when he attempts to save his Master (but really he was saving Saber.)  This act of self-sacrifice moves Shiro's heart and thus he performs the pelvic fusion dance to replenish Gilgamesh's reserves!

Now at full power (but unable to stop crying whenever he sees Saber) Gilgamesh, Saber, and Shrio take down evil and have their respective goals achieved!  But the King of Kings has a long journey yet ahead as he travels back in time to correct an... incident in his past.

Or not.

>_>

<_<

[Dracos]

Mmm, yeah, Ep 17 wasn't half bad.   I dunno, the assassin fighter/master seemed a touch uber, but still within reason I suppose.

@_@

Dracos
Sleepy

[Shuten]

Saw episode 18 raw and liked it for the most part.

Positives include Saber versus Assasin part 2, details about Rin and Sakura's connection, Chibi Sakura is; yes that really is Sakura as a young child; just too cute, and Sakura in leather = HOT! @_@

Negatives include Saber versus Assasin was too damned short, will more than likely be interrupted AGAIN, and unless things change soon my worry that Sakura might end up being little more than the stereotypical damsel in distress has only gotten worse with time.

Overall a decent episode but the big news for most everyone, excluding myself since I'm not a big fan of his at all but do not take that to mean that I hate him because I do not, is episode 19 should see the debut of a certain "Ougon no Ou" or for those who can't read japanese I'm pretty sure that translates to King of Gold which incidentally is also the name of episode 19.

I see character deaths coming... or maybe not. Only time will tell. ^^;


Sincerely,
Shuten

[Shuten]

I see character deaths coming... or maybe not. Only time will tell. ^^;

Wow... I actually got a prediction right. o_O;

Episode 19 brings in everyone's favorite Golden King voiced by Tomokazu Seki. "Gate of Babylon" was definitely sweet to see and barring anything unforeseen the UBW/Heavens Feel fused arc has come to a close. I'm still kind of annoyed that my worst fears came true regarding Sakura. Of all the characters in the game and now the anime she's the most screwed over in my not so humble opinion.

Regardless at least they managed to fit in something from both. Beggars can't afford to be picky afterall and in the case of "Heavens Feel" we probably got the most we could get while still remaining within the restrictions of broadcast TV.

Onward to the modified "Fate" ending. Some will like it. Some will not. In my case I'm willing to tolerate it since they did manage to cram in some of the other two arcs.

Bleh! Enough of this... I'm just rambling now. >_<


Sincerely,
Shuten

[Dracos]

Hmm, Saber's pretty devoted to being miserable.

Dracos

[Shuten]

Well I saw the last episode raw and I only have three words to describe it.

"Tsukihime Ending Rehash"

Which is pretty much what was expected... such a damned disappointed. >_<


Sincerely,
Shuten

[Sunhawk]

You know, you're right -- I hadn't thought to compare the two (just saw Tsukihime last weekend).

Ah, well.  Gilgamesh's expression when he got smacked was golden.  And there's always fanfics to fix things up ^_^

[Dracos]

bah...that totally sucks. :\

Tsukihime's ending was a touch annoying as it was.  Fate's being the same is just irritating, moreso as the side by side fighting was way more  pronounced in Fate.

Dracos

[Shuten]

It also doesn't help that they pretty much use Fate's ending. In my opinion it's the weakest of the three stories. Unlimited Blade Works and Heavens Feel are both so much better. I understand why they didn't go with a full Heavens Feel path but there's no excuse for not even considering a full UBW path.

I wonder if this means we've truly seen the beginning of...

Type Moon Anime Syndrome: Works by Type Moon that suffer from using the same basic ending every single time they are turned into anime productions.

I desperately hope not. Please let the manga NOT follow Fate's path. I'm not sure if I could stand seeing that ending a third damned time. >_<


Sincerely,
Shuten

Edit: To be fair the ending itself isn't bad and it does fit but I just can't help feeling like the series could have been so much more than what it ended up being. So much time squandered... -_-;

[KLSymph]

I've been playing the game and watching the anime in unison in the last few days and I demand to know who came up with the I AM THE BONE OF MY SWORD speech so that I can ask him or her:

a) Why did you start with a perfect suitable line like "I am the bone of my sword" and end with a perfectly suitable line like "So as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works", and then fill in the middle with the most brokenly rhythmed English verses I've seen in recent (or as far as I can tell, long-term) memory? Especially that line that ends with the word "anything", which doesn't go with... anything.

b) Why both English versions of the speech have nigh-unto no connection with their Japanese meanings? How do you get "Steel is my body, and fire is my blood" from chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa garasu (the blood is iron, and the heart is glass)?

I like the series and all, but this just makes me boggle. Especially since the Japanese versions seem to actually relate to Archer and Shirou's stories, and that's lost in the English versions.

[Dracos]

Because localization is something that most people suck at.  Especially musicians.

Dracos

[Shuten]

Actually I suspect TypeMoon was going for the "This will sound "badass" in english if we have it said this way." factor more than anything else. I highly doubt they cared whether it was correct. It only mattered if it looked good. Of course whether they succeeded or not is something each person will have to decide for themselves.

In closing I'll pose a question, What is the complete literal translation for Shirou/Archer's individual UBW incantations anyway?


Sincerely,
Shuten