Crystal Tokyo Fanon/Canon discussion

[Anastasia]

Read through it a bit before leaving for work.

My normal apathy for "And now Ranma is a girl, because this is a sailor moon crossover!" in general (and Ozz in particular) aside, I found it very 'Meh' at prologue + half of chapter one.  It's launching itself wholly into ANC/OC territory, with shades of characters I care about imprinted on them.  Maybe if I cared more for the original SM canon, but I'm under the impression that Crystal Tokyo in general is hardcore fanon, so....

...yeah.

Yeah, evil Crystal Tokyo is fanon and bullshit. That said this isn't really Crystal Tokyo at all, though it takes a lot more to get into. I don't really disagree with most of what you said, either.  It's a quirky fic that's interesting enough on the 'see what happens next' merits more than anything else.

[thepanda]

Here is hoping that Kodansha's updated rerelease of the Sailor Moon manga will finally kill some of that fannon dead.

[Brian]

Heh, fanon takes on a malevolent sentience of its own.

It's kind of a meme, really.  A horrific, trolling meme.

[Anastasia]

Yeah, fanon refuses to die. I doubt rereleasing SM will do anything to slay it.

[thepanda]

Heh, true. At least I'll get larger books (and hopefully a better translation) out of it. Oh, and some material we never got over here before as well.

[Jon]

Wait, are you saying Crystal Tokyo itself is fanon? Or merely the 'shining dystopia' version a lot of people like to use?

[Anastasia]

Wait, are you saying Crystal Tokyo itself is fanon? Or merely the 'shining dystopia' version a lot of people like to use?

The latter, d'oh.

[Jon]

I think it's a reasonable enough interpretation from the limited facts at hand, though a terribly overused and eventually weakened trope.

[thepanda]

I think it's a reasonable enough interpretation from the limited facts at hand

How so? The facts we know about it
1) Ruled by Serenity
2) Kicked out a bunch of terrorists
3) Was attacked by descendants of said terrorists
4) May have been founded before the senshi made it back to Earth

[Dracos]

It's also ruled by the Grand Council of ninja family members from Naruto.

[Brian]

Wait.  Hang on.

Ranma is inevitably either a girl more often, or gets powers as a girl in SM crossovers.

Ranma is inevitably WAY more badass in Naruto (on acount of Naruto canon being featherweight compared to Ranma naturally (google your own eyeroll gag here)) crossovers.

If you cross Naruto over with Ranma ... does that make Ranma/Naruto the matchup to abolish Crystal Tokyo?

Naruto: "I'm gonna be Serenity!"

...I think we should stop.

Now.

[Jon]

How so? The facts we know about it
1) Ruled by Serenity
2) Kicked out a bunch of terrorists
3) Was attacked by descendants of said terrorists
4) May have been founded before the senshi made it back to Earth

I could have sworn the whole "purification" thing was merely an exaggeration, not something invented wholesale, but I can't be arsed to look it up while I'm at work; I'll take a look later.

But also the whole "ChibiUsa is a kid for 900 years, we have NO IDEA why"? Highly suspicious.

[Brian]

Forgot to throw this out:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UndeadHorseTrope

Secondly, consider that the fans tend to think things through long after the creator's moved on; these could be throwaway lines that people are making too much out of.

Like "I haven't seen that chart in 100 years!" (Dr. Tofu's 'famous' last line in the Ranma manga before he abruptly vanishes, as Cologne filled the role of Wise Old Mentor more hilariously than a rival for Akane's affection).

Then again, exactly as above, that doesn't mean cool fic can't come from odd idea.

[Jon]

Ranma is inevitably either a girl more often, or gets powers as a girl in SM crossovers.

Me, I wanna find out if there's a way to do "Ranma is an axis around which the timeline can be changed" without falling into "Ranma is a chaos machine who must be directly opposed by Setsuna".

[Brian]

Me, I wanna find out if there's a way to do "Ranma is an axis around which the timeline can be changed" without falling into "Ranma is a chaos machine who must be directly opposed by Setsuna".

Nothing is stopping you from writing a Ranma/Haruhi fusion. :3

For what it's worth, there are a good number of fics out there that are pretty much what you're suggesting, though.  Either Ranma is chosen by Setsuna because he's the best chance of bringing Crystal Tokyo around, or Setsuna just chooses him out of desparation.  I think people just _like_ the uber-shonen aspect of, "Enough punching will killbliterate your 'only love can overcome me' monsters!", many of them not realizing that they are kind of kicking the original shoujo vibe at the same time.

And what better way to introduce Ranma as capable than to make Setsuna aware and unable to stop him?

Though, the 'Ranma is an engine of chaos' thing has been way overdone.  I'm pretty sure we've seen manga heroes go through way weirder than him.