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Started by Anastasia, December 01, 2020, 09:27:11 AM

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Anastasia

In this case it's a Concentration check when you're up close, since it dovetails with one of his class abilities. So give me that instead.
<Afina> Imagine a tiny pixie boot stamping on a devil's face.
<Afina> Forever.

<Yuthirin> Afina, giant parasitic rainbow space whale.
<IronDragoon> I mean, why not?

Nephrite

I admittedly didn't think she was that close, but I guess I'm having trouble visualizing that, it's all good.

We don't use concentration, I think it's Level+Con? Is that right?

Nephrite

[14:00] <Nephrite> roll 1d20+94 concentration
[14:00] <Rei-chan> Nephrite rolled : 1d20+94 concentration --> [ 1d20=11 ]{105}

Anastasia

Because Concentration doesn't come up much, run me through the math you did?
<Afina> Imagine a tiny pixie boot stamping on a devil's face.
<Afina> Forever.

<Yuthirin> Afina, giant parasitic rainbow space whale.
<IronDragoon> I mean, why not?

Nephrite

Caster level (40 (+healer, +her healer item, +divine rank) + 6 from Inspire Spellpower), +4 from Surge of Hope, +8 from her bonus to Charisma, +26 from Moore's Charisma aura (since it's a charisma based check, but if that isn't allowed I'll remove it), +4 from Snowsong, +10 from her original Charisma bonus ... actually it looks like I undersold it, the roll should be +97, so 108.

If the charisma bonus doesn't count then the roll is 82.

Nephrite


Anastasia

The spell fizzles - Jetina is momentarily shocked, but she manages to shake it off.

Go ahead if you want to try again.

Disclaimer: This took a bit because of a niche rules interaction. This is all publicly posted so I'll give you a summary.

1. Hecatoncheires has a class ability that cancels divine magic in a radius around it unless enemies succeed on a Concentration check.
2. He has an epic feat that does the following to improve it, the important part bolded.

Divine Rejection [Epic]
Prerequisite: Divine Interference, cha 19
Benefit: The DC to cast a divine spell within 30ft of you increases by 4. If a divine spell fails due to this ability, the caster is momentarily stunned and drops his defenses. Treat this as the caster provoking an attack of opportunity.

So Jetina would provoke an AoO there. However:

Effortless Healing (Ex)

At 5th level, a healer has learned to cast spells of the healing subschool with minimal effort. She may cast such spells without provoking attacks of opportunity. This ability applies only to spells of the healing subschool that she casts as a healer, not to those that she may have by virtue of levels in another class.

Does the wording of that cover an AoO provoked not by a normal AoO provoked by spellcasting, but one provoked by spellcasting due to an epic feat? It's arguable, but on reflection and discussion with a few people we're going with 'yes'.
<Afina> Imagine a tiny pixie boot stamping on a devil's face.
<Afina> Forever.

<Yuthirin> Afina, giant parasitic rainbow space whale.
<IronDragoon> I mean, why not?

Nephrite

[15:24] <Nephrite> roll 1d20+45 CL check
[15:24] <Rei-chan> Nephrite rolled : 1d20+45 CL check --> [ 1d20=12 ]{57}

If THAT goes through then 481 healing, plus fast healing 11 for everyone.

Anastasia

<Afina> Imagine a tiny pixie boot stamping on a devil's face.
<Afina> Forever.

<Yuthirin> Afina, giant parasitic rainbow space whale.
<IronDragoon> I mean, why not?

Nephrite

[blockquote]Rolled 1d20+68 : 11 + 68, total 79[/blockquote]

Nephrite

To explain the difference, Moore used a 1/day +5 bonus on Jetina for skill checks as an immediate to make sure it got off.

Anastasia

Are you sure on the total?
<Afina> Imagine a tiny pixie boot stamping on a devil's face.
<Afina> Forever.

<Yuthirin> Afina, giant parasitic rainbow space whale.
<IronDragoon> I mean, why not?

Nephrite

#1182
So I had it wrong - It's 81, my math from today was just a botched mess it looks like. Also, lesson learned, make sure I use Inspire Excellence (Wisdom) from now on...  I really thought her spells were Charisma based since Moore's are, that's entirely on me for being stupid. Bad time to find out!


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37 + 3 + 6 +3 + 4 + 14 + 11 + 5


EDIT: And you know what I can't even do that right, it's 83.

Nephrite

One other question, not sure if his DC is impacted by Moore's reduction to attacks, saves and skills or not, but just wanted to check.

Nephrite

One other thing... sorry, lots of questions here.

Moore still has something he can do on his turn - he has Harmonize available, which means he can still do a bardic music. As I stated before, if I'd remembered Jetina's casting stat was Wisdom and not Charisma, I would've at some point turned Inspire Excellence for Wisdom on and we wouldn't even be debating this.

I will accept that Inspire Excellence isn't valid for the current rolls (although I admit I think I should be able to argue that it should be since it was operator error here and not something else), but I would like, if possible, to be allowed to add Inspire Excellence in if needed for the future.

If it'd adjudicated as allowable, that will add a +16 competence bonus to everyone's wis score.