307 (Final): Amendment of 212

[Rezantis]

Sly sax very sly- your

no?...

post has been deleted, how convienient. if there are records of when posts are edited arnt there records of thier prievious contents?

*grin*

No, actually, none at all.  No records are kept of posts deleted, either.

[Rezantis]

-Ah!  That's not entirely true.  I -think- we keep records of what time posts are deleted and by what user, if you want I can look.

[Rezantis]

Anyway, I'm just going to drag some rules out for a quick dustoff.  This one can go at the top. ;)

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116. Whatever is not prohibited or regulated by a rule is permitted and unregulated, with the sole exception of changing the rules, which is permitted only when a rule or set of rules explicitly or implicitly permits it.
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Next:

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105. Every player is an eligible voter. An eligible voter has 24 hours from the submission of the final version of the proposal to vote by replying to the forum thread where the proposal is placed, clearly stating their vote. If this is not done within the 24 hour time period their vote is forfeited.
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We have no evidence that a clear statement of a vote was posted by Char Rye Coal in this thread.

Quintopia, Leus' Butt Man, has not replied to this thread clearly stating his vote.

Both of these no votes are therefore impermissible under rule 105.

Therefore, under:

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205. An adopted rule-change takes full effect at the moment of the completion of the vote that adopted it.
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This rule is now in effect.

[Rezantis]

Incidentally - my turn is now ended.  Char Coal's turn has begun.

[Rye Coal]

sorry my friend but you requested judgement and the outcome of your vote is not final until the judge passes judgement.

[Rye Coal]

by the way while it is still your turn- I'm invoking judgment regarding the legality of my posting quintopia's vote.

[CasualSax]

Actually, the outcome is final, theres nothing about a turn *ending* in the judge rule, only the holding off on the next player's turn.

[Rye Coal]

sorry but my original post was before the deadline an cannot be dicounted unless the judge discounts it . the proposal is dead.

[CasualSax]

you have 24 hours to post your vote *in a clear fasion.*  You completely failed to do so before the edit, and when you clarified, you did it in such a way that we now can't even debate whether it *was* clear.  The proposal passes.

[Rezantis]

You edited your post after the deadline; we've got absolutely no record of what you posted before the deadline or if it even qualified as a vote.

[Rye Coal]

some more difficutlies gentelmen. Rule 202: there are two phases that come after the voting phase. Phase 5: the Judge (in this case Quintopia) tallies the votes and enacts the legislation. Then the Judge (in this case still quintopia) calculates and posts your score. Untill ALL the phases of your turn are complete it is still your turn. I may choose to start my turn at any time after Rizantis's { Rezantis, the Count of Naysaying }  voting phase has begun, but I am not required to start it until his score is posted.

[Rezantis]

by the way while it is still your turn- I'm invoking judgment regarding the legality of my posting quintopia's vote.

My turn ended as soon as the rule went into force; which happened as soon as voting ended as according to rule 205.  It's now your turn.

[Rezantis]

some more difficutlies gentelmen. Rule 202: there are two phases that come after the voting phase. Phase 5: the Judge (in this case Quintopia) tallies the votes and enacts the legislation. Then the Judge (in this case still quintopia) calculates and posts your score. Untill ALL the phases of your turn are complete it is still your turn. I may choose to start my turn at any time after Rizantis's voting phase has begun, but I am not required to start it until his score is posted.

We currently have no judge.  By your reasoning, we never even finished the first turn.

Incidentally, please refer to me by my title, I am Rezantis, the Count of Naysaying.

[Rye Coal]

shall I quote Rule 212?

If players disagree about the legality of a move or the interpretation or application of a rule, then the player preceding the one moving is to be the Judge and decide the question. Disagreement for the purposes of this rule may be created by the insistence of any player. This process is called invoking Judgment.

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Unless a Judge is overruled, one Judge settles all questions arising from the game until the next turn is begun, including questions as to his or her own legitimacy and jurisdiction as Judge.

[Rezantis]

Ah, right, you've called a point of order, therefore I am the Judge.  My mistake.

Nonetheless that has no bearing on rule 202.