307 - DRAFT - Editing Posts

[Rezantis]

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I spoke to Rye, and I'm going to start my turn re-do.  Veto if you gotta. :)
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No post in the forum 'Proposals Board' can be deleted without the unanimous consent of all players.  Additionally, no post in the forum 'Proposals Board' can be edited under any circumstances.

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Nice and simple.  Forget 'leaving a record' and stuff - just don't do it, and put down another post if you have to retract or state what else you said.

[Rye Coal]

No argument here.

[Itarien]

No argument here either. If we play another nomic in the future sometime perhaps this should be included in the starting rules too.

[Rye Coal]

Might want to give it teeth, If you do edit or delete you will be fined an ungodly amount of points ( if your a new player you get one warning).

[SuperusSophia]

Sounds so very, very good to me ;)

[CasualSax]

The problem with giving proposals teeth instead of simply declaring that you can't is that it becomes more of a trade - "I'll be willing to delete my post for ten points" - than a discouragement.  When you say you can't - you simply can't,  because the rules say you can't.

[Rezantis]

I agree with Sax on that one.  If we find that we need to start punishing people for breaking rules, we'll have to figure that out in ze future.  As it is, you just can't break the rules.  If oyu do, I guess, that action can't take place in the context of the game - and so, it didn't! *nodnod*

[Rezantis]

Sounds so very, very good to me ;)

Bwaha.  This was pretty much the first thing I was planning to throw up after everything went up in smoke.  My only real disagreement with how you were going to go about it was allowing edits period. ;)  Confusion could happens there anyway.

[Rye Coal]

I was thinking a 100 Point penalty was ungodly enough but whatever. The truth is this will come up - someone will violate the rules and you will not be able to say oh it just didn't happen. When that time comes, unless there is legislation to deal with it, it will be up to the Judge or the Player Community as a whole to figure out what to do with a player they cannot stop from violating the rules because they have no leverage over the individual player.  

I guess it's a now or later situation so it is not imperative we deal with it now, but the longer the mentality exists 'it can happen because the rules say it cant' the bigger mess we will be in later.  


on another note:

I'm resigning from the game, much to the delight of a few I'm sure.  The stress to fun ratio is simply not compelling.  Peace.

unfortuneatly CasualSax we do not have any legislation regarding the addition of players to the game. You will need to wait until we can reinstate you as a player before participating further. I'm sorry you decided to leave us, but since you did remove yourself from the game we will need some legislation inorder to add you to the game again.

[Itarien]

Rez tells me that it is possible to block the edit and delete features of the forum. I think these might need to be changed too

Its all very well putting it in the rules but the forum would still support it. Which makes violations possible even tempting if theres virtually no record of what was there or when it was deleted and its only accessible by admins.

Punishments do not need to be point deduction either... A punishement such as forfeit/lose is pretty discouraging.

[SuperusSophia]

I was thinking the same thing, Itarien.  And automatic removal of the player from the game would certainly make it not-worth it to the player.

and...

unfortuneatly CasualSax we do not have any legislation regarding the addition of players to the game. You will need to wait until we can reinstate you as a player before participating further. I'm sorry you decided to leave us, but since you did remove yourself from the game we will need some legislation inorder to add you to the game again.

Are you serious? We finally get things moving again and NOW you want to nitpick and start removing people?!?!  There is nothing in the rules even considering the potential of a player getting fed up with the game, then when it gets going again joining back in.  Word to the wise, just drop it!

[Rye Coal]

True, punishments do not have to be point penalties. Losing a turn or ingame privledges would be more appropriate for most situations I'm sure. I would like to point out that as the rules stand now players cannot actually get kicked out of the game, they can only volunarily leave the game. I guess you could pass legislation to take away somones points as soon as they were earned - so there was no way for tem to earn points and win the game.

[Rye Coal]

Are you serious? We finally get things moving again and NOW you want to nitpick and start removing people?!?!  There is nothing in the rules even considering the potential of a player getting fed up with the game, then when it gets going again joining back in.  Word to the wise, just drop it!

I am not removing him, He removed himself. There are several players who have kept particularly quiet throughout the stall - I can only presume they were fed up with the situation and did not want to participate -they have not removed themselves from this game. It was fairly clear when we started that adding players would require legislation. But you are correct in one matter there are no rules governing absences, perhaps there should be.

[Rezantis]

I see no rules governing the removal of players from the game, either.  :)

I'm resigning from the game,

This is indicative of an intent and that he is currently in the act.  There is nothing to indicate that the act was -done-, merely an intention to.  I see no reason he wouldn't still be a player in the game until he gives formal notice of his resignation.

If he indeed changes his mind before such formal notice is given, that's indeed his right.

[Rye Coal]

While there are no rules governing the removal of players from the game there are rules that deal with resignation.

113. A player always has the option to forfeit the game rather than continue to play or incur a game penalty. No penalty worse than losing, in the judgment of the player to incur it, may be imposed.

Casual Sax indicated his desire not to continue to play, left his reason for leaving and bid us farewell. Thats a formal resignation if I ever saw one.