309: Official Exchange

[SuperusSophia]

I was thinking of throwing in a rule where official trades can exist between players.  There would be a thread in Game Information dedicated to posting official exchanges.  Such exchanges could include everything from votes to proposals being proposed on a players turn, to points themselves.  Once an exchange has been posted by one of the participants, and it has been approved on the thread by the other participants, it becomes official and legally binding.  The only way the contract can become null and void is if another exchange is officially made undoing a previous contract.

[Rezantis]

Hmm . . . have you been swapping notes with Rye? ^^

I like the idea - get some wording for the actual proposal though that we can hash out.

[Rye Coal]

This looks like an economic proposal at first glance - but it really boils down to a contract between players. Here are some things I would like to see: a clear definition of what a contract is, who has jurisdiction to interpret and enforce them, an outline of any contracts basic requirements (procedural and archetecural), and clear limitations on what a contract cannot do - if we leave it too open ended it could be the biggest loophole yet! This was next on my stack proposals - since it is key in so many others, I've got oads of ideas if you want them.

[SuperusSophia]

LAW OF EXCHANGE

Section 1:
   An Exchange is an official agreement between two or more players posted in an official thread set aside for this purpose.  All contats will be legally binding the moment all participants in the Exchange agree officially to the Exchange.

Section 2:
   The official Exchange thread shall be created by BaroFatua SuperusSophia within the Game Information sub-forum upon the passing of this law.  Exchanges will be posted there by one participant, hereby referred to as the Drafter.  The other participants must then post an agreement within 24 hours of the initial post by the Drafter.  If all participants do not agree to the Exchange within that time, the contract becomes null and void.

Section 3:
   Participants in the Exchange consist of everyone specifically mentioned within the Exchange.  Exchanges may only directly effect the participants.  Nobody who is not a participant is legally bound to the Exchange.

Section 4:
   Exchanges my only be cancelled or changed by use of another Exchange presented and officiated in the same manner as all Exchanges.

Section 5:
   The content of the Exchange is limited only to that which is allowed by the other laws, including any and all laws passed in the future.


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Okay, there is a rough sketch.

[SuperusSophia]

Actually, I've been throwing this proposal around in my head since Darth's proposal for minigames....

[Rye Coal]

Good start on the form... here we go

LAW OF EXCHANGE

Section 1:
   An Exchange is an official agreement between two or more players posted in an official thread set aside for this purpose.  All contats will be legally binding the moment all participants in the Exchange agree officially to the Exchange.

I dont mean to be nit picky but are we talking exchanges or contracts? Is the exchange a use for the contract? I think you have two different ideas here. I think we are going for 'exchanges take place via contracts'. Correct me if I'm missing it.  

Also 'legally binding' doesnt mean anything at the moment. I think we're going for 'you must follow throught with your end of the contract in the same way you comply with a rule of the game'. When a contract is broken, should the contract itself dictate what hppens next or do you want a blanket penalty insribed in the law or do the other players involed in the contract get to assighn arbitrary punishment?

Section 2:
   The official Exchange thread shall be created by BaroFatua SuperusSophia within the Game Information sub-forum upon the passing of this law.  Exchanges will be posted there by one participant, hereby referred to as the Drafter.  The other participants must then post an agreement within 24 hours of the initial post by the Drafter.  If all participants do not agree to the Exchange within that time, the contract becomes null and void.

the 24 hour window gives it a proposalish feel which i dont like but thats only aesthetics.

Section 3:
   Participants in the Exchange consist of everyone specifically mentioned within the Exchange.  Exchanges may only directly effect the participants.  Nobody who is not a participant is legally bound to the Exchange.

Section 4:
   Exchanges my only be cancelled or changed by use of another Exchange presented and officiated in the same manner as all Exchanges.

Section 5:
   The content of the Exchange is limited only to that which is allowed by the other laws, including any and all laws passed in the future.

If we are dealing with contracts in general the wording needs to change from Exchange to Contract.

Char Coal

[SuperusSophia]

I dont mean to be nit picky but are we talking exchanges or contracts? Is the exchange a use for the contract? I think you have two different ideas here. I think we are going for 'exchanges take place via contracts'. Correct me if I'm missing it.

'Exchange' is merely the official term for the contracts this proposal outlines.

Also 'legally binding' doesnt mean anything at the moment. I think we're going for 'you must follow throught with your end of the contract in the same way you comply with a rule of the game'. When a contract is broken, should the contract itself dictate what hppens next or do you want a blanket penalty insribed in the law or do the other players involed in the contract get to assighn arbitrary punishment?

'Legally Binding' means that anything outlined in the Exchange becomes official when the Exchange becomes official.  If points are exchanged, points are automatically readjusted.  If votes are promised, then when the proposal in question is voted on, the votes automatically count, no matter what the person giving their vote actually posts.  If someone promises in a contract to propose something, every detail about the proposal in the contract will automatically become part of that players proposal.  There is no 'breaking the contract.'

I will add this to the proposal, however:

Section 6:
   A player who is not participating in the contract must be chosen as 'judge' for that specific contract.  The person will be declared the judge within the contract tiself.  That person will be declared the judge for all questions concerning the details of the contract.  The judge for the contract does not agree to the contract to make it official, but may choose to make somebody else the judge for the contract.  No participant of the contract may become judge for the contract.

    Clause 1: If a player raises judgement concerning the legality of the contract, then the judge is decided in the normal process set out in rule 212.

the 24 hour window gives it a proposalish feel which i dont like but thats only aesthetics.

Shall we make is 27 hours and 37 minutes then  ;)

If we are dealing with contracts in general the wording needs to change from Exchange to Contract.

Like I stated earlier, "Exchange" is merely the official term for them for the purposes of laying out this proposal.  Besdies, I prefer the concept of an exchange over the concept of a contract.  Contracts tend to imply a prolonged agreement, which this is not intended to be (but I suppose could be anyway, if players are so inclined).

[tinuviel]

Such exchanges could include everything from votes to proposals being proposed on a players turn, to points themselves.  

Elucidate this idea some, please.

[SuperusSophia]

I just mean that if it has value to the players, it can be used, unless the rules state otherwise.

[quintopia]

your wording on the judge clause is a bit confusing.

any chance you can make it illegal to edit/delete posts on the exchange forum as well?

rez, could you make it so the game information forum leaves a message on posts that have been edited like it does here?

[SuperusSophia]

Good idea quin:

Section 2, Clause 1:
   All editing or deleting of posts within the Exchange thread set aside by this Section is prohibited.

and as for vague wording, how about this:

Section 6:
   All Exchanges must include a player designated as the judge for that specific Exchange.  The player chosen to be judge cannot be a participant of the Exchange they are judging for.  That player does not have to approve the Exchange for it to become official, but they may pass the role of judge onto another player, provided that player is not a participant.  The judge decides any disputes over the conditions of the Exchange.

   Clause 1: If any player provokes judgement concerning the legality of the contract, then the judge is decided in the normal way as outlined by rule 212.

It's really similar, but if you could mention your specific questions, then I could address them ;)