310 (Draft): Players

[tinuviel]

1 - Definition
All users subscribed to the Nomic user group (hereby known as "the Group") are considered Players for this Game.

2- Serialization
They shall be assigned Player Numbers sequentially beginning with 0 according the alphabetical order of their usernames.

3 - Creating New Players
A user submitting a request to join the Group is automatically considered to be requesting to be made a Player of this Game.  This fact will be made available in the Group description.  Upon applying to join the Group, potential new Players shall be added to a Waiting List.

Beginning with the third round, exactly one new player may be added as each current Player takes their turn.  The Player who is currently entering the Voting phase (the "Active Player") may choose one Player from the Waiting List to be added to the game.  If the Active Player does not specify which user should be made a Player, then the user who has been on the Waiting List the longest shall be added.

4 - Serialization of New Players/Welcome Points
Upon joining the Game, the new Player will be assigned the number of the highest numbered Player plus one.  They will then receive floor (Player Number/10) points to begin with.  These free points shall be known as "welcome points."

{Thus, one more welcome point is received for Players joining in each new round.}

5 - Player Permissions
None but Players are entitled to post anything in the Nomic! Forums (hereby known as "the Forum").

[SuperusSophia]

Couple issues.

1) If players desiring to join the game can't vote in this forum, how exactly are they supposed to announce to the players that they want to join?  Maybe re-word this proposal to allow for a "Waiting Room" thread?

2) Should probably throw something in about the active player bringing someone in BEFORE they post their proposal (I imagine that was what you were getting at).  Maybe change it so any player can invite someone in during their turn but before they post their proposal.  Same idea, but more specific.

3) The way you have it now, they would get one more point every ten players.  I'd suggest maybe 5*(The Number of Completed Rounds).  Then they'd have a fighting chance.  Of course, you'd need to put a limit on it, say with the 10th round or 20th round being the max....

[Rezantis]

Couple issues.

1) If players desiring to join the game can't vote in this forum, how exactly are they supposed to announce to the players that they want to join?  Maybe re-word this proposal to allow for a "Waiting Room" thread?

2) Should probably throw something in about the active player bringing someone in BEFORE they post their proposal (I imagine that was what you were getting at).  Maybe change it so any player can invite someone in during their turn but before they post their proposal.  Same idea, but more specific.

3) The way you have it now, they would get one more point every ten players.  I'd suggest maybe 5*(The Number of Completed Rounds).  Then they'd have a fighting chance.  Of course, you'd need to put a limit on it, say with the 10th round or 20th round being the max....

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How about they get an equal amount of points to the current lowest scoring player, with a minimum of zero points?

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Also, I don't like the idea of people being able to join the game just by posting.  Makes it too easy! :D  I reckon adding a player to the game should be done via a proposal; ie, someone giving up their chance to make a rule for that round.

Points stlil awarded as per rule-changes if people agree to it, though.

[SuperusSophia]

Or we could have some sort of internet-frathouse initiation thing.... LOL!

[Rezantis]

Well, I'd rather not make bringing people into the game -completely- trivial.  It makes it far too easy to shift the balance of power, and all, and it leaves a big gaping loophole for people to cause trouble.

[Carthrat]

A unanimous vote would seem in order, here. I mean, sure, that might make things hard... but that's probably how it should be.

Also, while we're here, why not include rules for dropping out the game? They seem to be part of this act.

[SuperusSophia]

I'd at least make it so only people who have been playing for at least 3 rounds (or since the beginning) can introduce people.  And at least a 2/3rds majority vote of those same people.  Unanimous seems a little too hard.

[Rye Coal]

I'm also of the mind set its a little too easy to get in. My major concern with new players is activity level - I dont wan't active players to be able to bring in players just to use thier vote's while they do nothing, like a plotical boss or something. For new users: A nomination from an original group member and say two other members to second the nomination. Nominators front a fee for nominating the players, if a nominee goes inactive after being initiated the ones who nominated them lose points.
 
As far as welcome points are concerned how about the average number of points earned per turn upon initiation? (that would be the sum of all points earned to date / number of total turns) .

There does need to be a cap on how many players can be added every so often.  One a turn is way to many.  

Idea:

Cap the growth rate at 20% per round: a maximum of x players can be added to the game on any given round where x is =  .2*(the number of active players beggining the round) rounded to the nearest whole integer.

Given that all slots are filled and all players are active:
round 2 gets to add up to 2
round 3 gets to add up to 2
round 4 gets to add up to 3
round 5 gets to add up to 3
round 6 gets to add up to 4
...
you get the point, no major political coup - plenty of experianced players to guide the new ones.

With the dropping out rules how about some for rejoing the game if you have quit?

Char Coal

[tinuviel]

Changes made:

1 - Definition
All users currently subscribed to the Nomic user group (hereby known as "the

Group") are considered Players for this Game.  Any users added to the

Nomic user group in the future are considered Players for this Game.

2- Serialization
Current Players shall be assigned Player Numbers sequentially

beginning with 0 according the alphabetical order of their usernames.

3 - Creating New Players
A user must submit a request to join the Group and make a post in a

"Waiting List" thread on the Game Discussion sub-forum (the "Public Forum")

to be made a Player of this Game.  This fact will be made available in the

Group description and in the Waiting List thread.  A player may cancel their

request to join at any time by simply posting a message to that effect.

Beginning with the third round, exactly one new player may be added as each

current Player takes their turn. A Player who is currently about to post

their final proposal may choose one Player from the Waiting List to be

added to the game. If a Player does not specify which user should be made a

Player, then the user who has been on the Waiting List the longest shall be

added.

4 - Serialization of New Players/Welcome Points
Upon joining the Game, the new Player will be assigned the number of the

highest numbered Player plus one. They will then receive the number of

points of the lowest scoring player to begin with. These free points

shall be known as "welcome points."


5 - Player Permissions
None but Players are entitled to post anything in the Nomic! Forums (hereby

known as "the Forum"), other than the Public Forum.

6 - Player Cap
At any time, a Player may call for a halt on addition of new Players, by

posting a thread to that effect in the Proposals Board.  Votes will be made

in this thread as to whether the number of Players should be capped.  While

this thread exists, turns will continue normally and Players can be added

normally.  When 50% of all Players have agreed to cap the number of Players,

no new Players may be added from that moment.  The cap may be cancelled at a

later time via the same process.

7 - Players Retiring
A Player who wishes to forfeit/retire from the game may do so by posting a

message to this effect anywhere.  At least 48 hours after this request is

made, the Player will be removed from the Group by those able to do so.  At

any time during this period, the Player may revoke the request, and by doing
so, remain in the Group and the Game.

8 - Players Rejoining
Players rejoining the game after successfully and completely retiring will

be treated exactly as new Players.

[tinuviel]

Sorry about all the extra newlines.  I would fix it if I could, but instead, I'll repost:

Changes made:

1 - Definition
All users currently subscribed to the Nomic user group (hereby known as "the Group") are considered Players for this Game.  Any users added to the Nomic user group in the future are considered Players for this Game.

2- Serialization
Current Players shall be assigned Player Numbers sequentially beginning with 0 according the alphabetical order of their usernames.

3 - Creating New Players
A user must submit a request to join the Group and make a post in a "Waiting List" thread on the Game Discussion sub-forum (the "Public Forum") to be made a Player of this Game.  This fact will be made available in the Group description and in the Waiting List thread.  A player may cancel their request to join at any time by simply posting a message to that effect.  

Beginning with the third round, exactly one new player may be added as each current Player takes their turn. A Player who is currently about to post their final proposal may choose one Player from the Waiting List to be added to the game. If a Player does not specify which user should be made a Player, then the user who has been on the Waiting List the longest shall be added.

4 - Serialization of New Players/Welcome Points
Upon joining the Game, the new Player will be assigned the number of the highest numbered Player plus one. They will then receive the number of points of the lowest scoring player to begin with. These free points shall be known as "welcome points."


5 - Player Permissions
None but Players are entitled to post anything in the Nomic! Forums (hereby known as "the Forum"), other than the Public Forum.

6 - Player Cap
At any time, a Player may call for a halt on addition of new Players, by posting a thread to that effect in the Proposals Board.  Votes will be made in this thread as to whether the number of Players should be capped.  While this thread exists, turns will continue normally and Players can be added normally.  When 50% of all Players have agreed to cap the number of Players, no new Players may be added from that moment.  The cap may be cancelled at a later time via the same process.

7 - Players Retiring
A Player who wishes to forfeit/retire from the game may do so by posting a message to this effect anywhere.  At least 48 hours after this request is made, the Player will be removed from the Group by those able to do so.  At any time during this period, the Player may revoke the request, and by doing so, remain in the Group and the Game.

8 - Players Rejoining
Players rejoining the game after successfully and completely retiring will be treated exactly as new Players.

[Rezantis]

I'm sorry, I still think it's far too easy to join the game.  I won't vote for this proposal as it stands; there needs to be some kind of check or way for people currently in the game to slow, stall, or refuse entry to a player.

I'd only vote for this if there was an easy and simple way to -remove- people from the game so we don't run the risk of getting horribly bogged down.

On a more technical note, 'current players' is vague, maybe 'Current players as of the moment this rule first takes effect' or something.  'Current' is open to interpretation.

[tinuviel]

more rewordings:

1 - Definition
All users subscribed to the Nomic user group (hereby known as "the Group") at the beginning of the game are considered Players for this Game. Any users in the Group at any given time are considered Players for this Game.

I agree there should be a way to remove players, but that shouldn't be easy at all.

And you really don't need to worry about getting bogged down. . .it's not like there are already a billion people waiting to join our silly little game.

[Rezantis]

I'm thinking along the lines of 'x amount of inactivity'.

And it's true, there's not, but I don't want to make it simple because it's open to abuse.

Hell - I can guarantee you that I'll be abusing it the moment it becomes advantageous to me to do so.

[tinuviel]

Alright, I'll change 6 to be a fixed cap instead of a vote.  I think 50 players is a good cap to begin with.  Everyone else post what you think and I'll take the average.

[SuperusSophia]

You do realize that with 50 people in the game there will be about 1 round a year.  I think 15 is a better cap.